On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 06:45:59PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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> I'm just arguing that the experiment with the rifle and the geiger
> counter does not imply any second law anomaly. Yes, you are "forcing"
> your consciousness to "move" to states where the atom never decays,
> but if you consider
It's conserved because we require that the Hamiltonian not be explicitly
time dependent (we want our laws to apply equally at all times); that
and Noether's theorem imply conservation of 4-momentum.
Brent Meeker
Michael Rosefield wrote:
> To pull a fatuous idea from where the sun doth not shin
To pull a fatuous idea from where the sun doth not shine, what if energy is
merely moving 'between universes'; it is conserved just because of
statistical balance.
On 17/04/2008, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I'm not sure what source of photon creation you have in mind, but QFT
> d
Telmo Menezes wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Are you saying that the second law is verified in each of all
>> "branches" of the (quantum) multiverse?
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> I'm not saying that.
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>> I would say the second law is
>> statistic
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Are you saying that the second law is verified in each of all
> "branches" of the (quantum) multiverse?
I'm not saying that.
> I would say the second law is
> statistical, and is verified in most branches. In the MW
Hi,
David Deutsch argues in Fabric of Reality that only the Multiverse
conserves quantity (not single branches). The rest is probabilistic
stuff (see Bruno's post)
Cheers,
Günther
Telmo Menezes wrote:
> Yes, you're right. Still I think my argument holds. The production of
> the rifle, bullet
I read the Wikipedia of "The prestige" (too lazy to watch the movie ;-)
and, yes, it's classical comp stuff *grin*
What I would like to recommend to everybody on the list is Greg Egan's book
Permutation City
I can recommend everything by Egan - hard, no nonsense, mathematically
informed SciFi
Bruno, ashamed, because I decided many times not to barge into topics I do
not understand and now I misuse your (and the list's) patience again:
you use "statistical". - "verified in MOST branches".
I think my view is not too far away: statistical in my dictionary means a
choice-set of cases selec
Are you saying that the second law is verified in each of all
"branches" of the (quantum) multiverse? I would say the second law is
statistical, and is verified in most branches. In the MWI applied to
quantum field it seems to me that there can be branches with an
arbitrarily high number of ph
Yes, you're right. Still I think my argument holds. The production of
the rifle, bullet and geiger counter system plus the geiger counter
operation should produce more than enough entropy to compensate for
the atom not decaying.
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Michael Rosefield
<[EMAIL PROTECTED
It's not so much the input of energy, it's the production of more entropy
where the energy is taken from.
On 17/04/2008, Telmo Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I would like to argue that in setting this experiment, energy is being
> expended to prevent the increase in entropy, albeit not i
I would like to argue that in setting this experiment, energy is being
expended to prevent the increase in entropy, albeit not in an obvious
way.
It is a trivial observation that systems may be devised that prevent
increases in entropy by paying energy costs. One example is an ice
cube in the fre
Le 16-avr.-08, à 18:02, nichomachus a écrit :
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> On Apr 16, 4:54 am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Le 16-avr.-08, à 03:24, Russell Standish a écrit :
>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 02:22:23AM +0200, Saibal Mitra wrote:
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> First off, how is it that the MWI does not imply
> q
On 17/04/2008, Quentin Anciaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You cannot experience death if you define death by the absolute end of
> your conscious experience. Since you can't be conscious if you're dead
> nor knowing it (which would require consciousness) by definition,
> death is not a first
Le 16-avr.-08, à 15:13, nichomachus (Steve) a écrit :
> The Prestige, with Christian Bale, Hugh Jackman, Michael Caine, Andy
> Serkis and David Bowie as Nikola Tesla... I also highly recommend
> this very entertaining movie that I saw last week.
>
> Unfortunately, Bruno, I don't see the conn
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