Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-25 Thread m.a.
Bruno: Does the following relate at all to your theory of Comp? Each life is an equation. Each person is given parts of the equation with many variables on both sides of the equals sign. Most equations have only one solution which, however, can be solved in different ways: simple

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:56 AM, Charles charlesrobertgood...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 23, 8:42 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: I think it's an example of the radiation arrow of time making a time-reversed process impossible - or maybe just vanishingly improbable. Bruce

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Charles
On Feb 25, 6:41 am, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this is the mainstream point of view, not unique to Price. It's generally thought that reason we see an arrow of time at the macroscopic level--including the arrow of time inherent in the fact that we can look at records in the

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Charles
On Feb 26, 6:38 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: One approach to the problem that I heard regarding the arrow of time   relates to the fact that storing information (either by the brain or   in a DNA molecule in the course of evolution) requires the expendature   of energy.  The

Re: [Fwd: The Brain's Dark Energy Scien amer]

2010-02-25 Thread Charles
On Feb 23, 9:02 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: But recent analysis produced by neuroimaging technologies has revealed something quite remarkable: a great deal of meaningful activity is occurring in the brain when a person is sitting back and doing nothing at all. The best

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Brent Meeker
Charles wrote: On Feb 25, 6:41 am, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this is the mainstream point of view, not unique to Price. It's generally thought that reason we see an arrow of time at the macroscopic level--including the arrow of time inherent in the fact that we can look at

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Charles charlesrobertgood...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 26, 6:38 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: One approach to the problem that I heard regarding the arrow of time relates to the fact that storing information (either by the brain or in a DNA

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-25 Thread Rex Allen
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:17 AM, David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 February 2010 07:03, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: With this in mind, I'm not sure what you mean by two undeniably manifest perpectives. Only ONE seems undeniable to me, and that's 1-p. My proposal is

RE: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-25 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi, -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rex Allen Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:31 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: On the computability of consciousness On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:17

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-25 Thread Rex Allen
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi Rex and Members,        There is a very compelling body of work in logic that allows for circularity. Please take a look at: http://www.springerlink.com/content/m06t7w0163945350/ and

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Charles
On Feb 26, 10:34 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: But isn't the EPR experiment a way of avoiding a past constraint.  The past constraint is just that the net angular momentum is zero, so there is no constraint on the polarization of either photon.  When one is measured it can

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-25 Thread Rex Allen
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: Is hard determinism as bad an outcome as solipsism? If not, why not? I don't know about good or bad - but since you post on the internet I infer that you are not a solipist. Since posting on the

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Charles
On Feb 26, 2:05 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't the AOT explained in terms of probability? E.g. There are far   more combinations for a system to be disordered rather than ordered,   as such the universe overall will tend to fall into these more likely   configurations.  You

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Brent Meeker
Charles wrote: On Feb 26, 2:05 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't the AOT explained in terms of probability? E.g. There are far more combinations for a system to be disordered rather than ordered, as such the universe overall will tend to fall into these more likely

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-02-25 Thread Rex Allen
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 February 2010 14:46, Charles charlesrobertgood...@gmail.com wrote: However, I agree that the statement evolution has programmed us to think of ourselves as a single individual, etc is rather contentious as

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Charles
On Feb 26, 6:19 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: That isn't an explanation for the AOT, it's a consequence of it. An explanation for the AOT would require showing *why* the universe is in an improbable state in the past. If it were in an improbable state in the future, the

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Charles
Schulmann has written a nice little book about this considering both a classical and quantum universe. /Time's Arrows and Quantum Measurement/. L. S. Schulman. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 1997 Thank you, if I have worlds enough and time (and money) I will get a copy. Charles --

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Charles
On Feb 26, 10:34 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: But isn't the EPR experiment a way of avoiding a past constraint.  The past constraint is just that the net angular momentum is zero, so there is no constraint on the polarization of either photon.  When one is measured it can