Re: COMP refutation GAME OVER

2011-07-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jul 2011, at 20:21, meekerdb wrote: On 7/13/2011 3:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jul 2011, at 10:28, Kim Jones wrote: What does the pronoun its refer to in this sentence? The UD or the universe? How can something be the result of a process going through it? It has to exist

Re: COMP refutation GAME OVER

2011-07-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jul 2011, at 19:56, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2011 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You confuse perhaps with Schmidhuber's position, or some digital physicist (DP). But as I have explained many times here that this position does not work. Computationalism or digital mechanism (DM) is

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Evgenii, Why don't you make a course for dummies about this? (For example in Second Life) Because in the second life, the students already know that they are in a virtual reality :) It looks more difficult to explain this with first life inquirers. But is it, really? Got the feeling

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jul 2011, at 01:49, Craig Weinberg wrote: Not sure what you mean in either sentence. A plastic flower behaves differently than a biological plant. Sure. But they have not the same function. They both decorate a vase. How do we know when we build a chip that it's performing the same

Re: RE: bruno list

2011-07-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
You're misunderstanding what I meant by internal, I wasn't talking about subjective interiority (qualia), but *only* about the physical processes in the spatial interior of the cell. I am trying to first concentrate on external behavioral issues that don't involve qualia at all, to see

Re: bruno list

2011-07-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
You're misunderstanding what I meant by internal, I wasn't talking about subjective interiority (qualia), but *only* about the physical processes in the spatial interior of the cell. I am trying to first concentrate on external behavioral issues that don't involve qualia at all, to see whether

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Terren Apology for commenting your post with some delay. On 06 Jul 2011, at 19:54, Terren Suydam wrote: Hey Bruno, Thanks for your comments... I'm a little clearer now on your stance on consciousness and intelligence, I think. I have a few more questions and concerns. Regarding

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
The experience of seeing yellow might be, although its stability will needs the global structure of all computations. If you believe the contrary, you need to speculate on an unknown physics. I don't consider it an unknown physics, just a physics that doesn't disqualify 1p phenomena. I don't get

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-14 Thread L.W. Sterritt
What is a person? What can a person be but the continuos response of a wet chemical neural network to exogenous and endogenous inputs. The response will be modified by changes in the networks chemical environment, and now we learn by strong external pulsed magnetic fields. In a series of

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
But a person also makes changes to their chemical network by exercising their will out of purely semantic conscious intent, having no biochemical rationale or specific neurogeographical constraint. You don't have to get from one part of your brain to another part to think about something else,