Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1676 > > "As stated above, blindsight is seen clinically as a contrast between > a lack of declarative knowledge about a stimulus and a high rate of > correct answers to questions about the stimulus

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-12 Thread Jason Resch
On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1676 "As stated above, blindsight is seen clinically as a contrast between a lack of declarative knowledge about a stimulus and a high rate of correct answers to questions about the stimulus (1).

Re: Bruno List continued

2011-10-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>The model of a neuron does not include the inputs. A >> larger model of a network of neurons includes inputs and outputs from >> all the neurons in the network but does not include external inputs. > > Without any external inputs, and witho

Re: Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-12 Thread meekerdb
On 10/12/2011 7:44 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1676 "As stated above, blindsight is seen clinically as a contrast between a lack of declarative knowledge about a stimulus and a high rate of correct answers to questions about the stimulus (1). People suffe

Blindsight crushes absent qualia?

2011-10-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1676 "As stated above, blindsight is seen clinically as a contrast between a lack of declarative knowledge about a stimulus and a high rate of correct answers to questions about the stimulus (1). People suffering from blindsight claim to see nothing, and

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 02:54:01PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 11 Oct 2011, at 22:14, Russell Standish wrote: > > >On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 06:03:42PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>>With COMP, and via your UDA, our observed universe is selected from > >>>the set of all inf

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-12 Thread benjayk
terren wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> That reminds me an argument of Bruno in Lewis Carroll's "Sylvie and >> Bruno", >> about Spinach. If I remember well. >> Something like:  '---don't make me *love* spinach because thats really >> the >> worst possible whic

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-12 Thread benjayk
terren wrote: > > Hey Benjay, > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:11 PM, benjayk > wrote: >> Honestly, I won't bother to study a theory in much depth that I hold to >> be >> utterly implausible at the start. > > I have to wonder why you're putting so much energy into refuting an > idea you feel to

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-12 Thread benjayk
I am omitting a lot, honestly most of the stuff isn't that relevant for what I really want to express. I guess I still talk too much. Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Explaining >> consciousness in the sense you mean it (explain it *from* something) >> is >> nonsense, as consciousness is already req

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-12 Thread Terren Suydam
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > That reminds me an argument of Bruno in Lewis Carroll's "Sylvie and Bruno", > about Spinach. If I remember well. > Something like:  '---don't make me *love* spinach because thats really the > worst possible which can happen for someone who *h

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2011, at 03:01, Terren Suydam wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:11 PM, benjayk wrote: That's a nice strategy to be "right", that's for sure. "You just don't understand it, study more". The ideas are understandable if you're willing to depart from your preferred way of viewing

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Oct 2011, at 22:14, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 06:03:42PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: With COMP, and via your UDA, our observed universe is selected from the set of all infinite strings (which I call descriptions in my book). My non observed "future"; or comput

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Oct 2011, at 19:29, meekerdb wrote: On 10/11/2011 9:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: My non observed "future"; or computational extensions, is selected, making the comp physics explainable in term of statistics on computations. This leads to general physical laws invariant for all observ