Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
John, see if you can read this paper. Its a slideshow from Ars Disputandi of an eric steinhart paper, on the theological implications of the simulation argument. This is the only copy I downloaded of the url, but I was able to do a download and print at work so I have hard copy. Steinhart seems

The Next Twenty Years

2015-02-14 Thread Kim Jones
Pretty much speaks for itself. The West appears culturally doomed. As I and Margaret Thatcher hold: there are only families (ie tribes). No other cultural divisions have any purchase on the human condition. Tribes are what homo sapiens is all about. The mother of all tribal wars is ju

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-14 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > In Islam, I have read, is a being called The Doubter, which the faithful > associate with the devil, they term, iblis. > And in both the Old Testament and the Quran the devil is far more moral than G

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Feb 2015, at 20:40, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Feb 2015, at 12:47, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb 2015, at 08:21, Samiya Illias wrote: Can you show that 1 + 8 =

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Feb 2015, at 19:52, David Nyman wrote: On 13 February 2015 at 15:04, Bruno Marchal wrote: The problem of terms like "epiphenomenalism" (and some other ...ism) is that they are defined implicitly only in the Aristotelian picture. They *can* acquire different meanings in the platonici

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
In Islam, I have read, is a being called The Doubter, which the faithful associate with the devil, they term, iblis. But certainly, doubt is the true beginning of wisdom? -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 1:22 am Subject: Re: Why is th

Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential

2015-02-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Being a fool, I ask, Is it possible to do a theology (In the Marchal sense of the word) from quantum potential? Just asking. -Original Message- From: John Mikes To: everything-list Sent: Fri, Feb 13, 2015 5:23 pm Subject: Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential Empty space is the sam

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-14 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
> On 15 Feb 2015, at 1:49 am, Samiya Illias wrote: > I hope you would you also agree with this statement: Science is simply > Critical Inquiry, neither doubt not faith. A scientist would say that he would drop his favoured theory, or at least think it less likely to be true, if evidence agai

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-14 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 11:22 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > > > Your argument is based upon the collective thinking of some human >> thinkers and philosophers, while my arguments are based upon a Book which, >> if numbers matter, a large numbe

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-02-14 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 14 February 2015 at 18:27, meekerdb wrote: > On 2/13/2015 10:05 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> You mean a conscious being cannot have a zombie equivalent, i.e. a being >> that behaves the same but is not conscious. In other words the >> philosophical zombie is impossible: if a being is con