Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-02 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 4:48:05 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:16 AM > wrote: > > *> You sound like a young fool who has no respect for his elders*. > > > And you sound like a old fool who has placed so much respect for his > elders it approaches the level of

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-02 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:45 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> No Turing machine can solve the halting problem. You are right on this. > But an oracle can, or a machine with infinite speed can.* > If such a oracle could exist then logical contradictions could too and then there would be no point in

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-02 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:16 AM wrote: *> You sound like a young fool who has no respect for his elders*. And you sound like a old fool who has placed so much respect for his elders it approaches the level of ancestor worship. But It's not just you, this entire list's reverence for the ancient

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-02 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 3:45:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Nov 2018, at 19:43, John Clark > > wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> infinite time Turing machines are more powerful than ordinary Turing >> machines* > > > That is true,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 1 Nov 2018, at 19:59, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:44:19 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > infinite time Turing machines are more powerful than ordinary Turing > > machines > > That is true,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 1 Nov 2018, at 19:43, John Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > infinite time Turing machines are more powerful than ordinary Turing > > machines > > That is true, it is also true that if dragons existed they

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

2018-11-02 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:33:31 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:15:50 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/1/2018 4:02 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On