Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-21 Thread David Nyman
On 20 February 2014 22:00, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still unsure whether you don't grasp the relevance of my point, or are consciously or unconsciously side-stepping it. It's really peculiar. It's peculiar because you are the one who doesn't understand my point. I

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, February 21, 2014 10:28:47 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 20 February 2014 22:00, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I'm still unsure whether you don't grasp the relevance of my point, or are consciously or unconsciously side-stepping it. It's really

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:02:40 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 18 February 2014 17:14, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Moreover, that very failure must be strikingly apparent to the functional actors themselves. Why do you think that isn't the pathetic

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-19 Thread David Nyman
On 19 February 2014 14:17, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: You're talking about the special case of human experience, human bodies, etc. I'm talking about the ontology of the nature of any possible awareness in any possible universe. I'm not really sure what distinction you're

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:28:18 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 19 February 2014 14:17, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: You're talking about the special case of human experience, human bodies, etc. I'm talking about the ontology of the nature of any possible

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-19 Thread David Nyman
On 19 February 2014 17:15, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:28:18 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 19 February 2014 14:17, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: You're talking about the special case of human experience, human bodies, etc. I'm

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:37:43 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 19 February 2014 17:15, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:28:18 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 19 February 2014 14:17, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-18 Thread David Nyman
On 18 February 2014 03:42, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: snip I have over and over. If I count my fingers, I get a number five. That number cannot reproduce the individual fingers and thumb of my hand. It's just a metaphor for a certain set of qualities associated with feeling

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-18 Thread David Nyman
On 18 February 2014 17:14, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, that very failure must be strikingly apparent to the functional actors themselves. Why do you think that isn't the pathetic fallacy though? Quite simply because the whole argument is based on the premise that

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Feb 2014, at 20:09, David Nyman wrote: On 16 February 2014 19:05, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Why not being agnostic, especially that you have admitted not having studied computer science. Why being negative on something that you ignore? Because he understands that comp

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-17 Thread David Nyman
On 17 February 2014 03:19, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:07:06 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 17 February 2014 00:29, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: You don't suggest that I can't understand comp, but you suggest that I am impervious

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 17, 2014 7:29:48 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 17 February 2014 03:19, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:07:06 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 17 February 2014 00:29, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: You

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-17 Thread David Nyman
On 17 February 2014 21:45, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: snip You misunderstood my meaning. I said that I don't believe that you cannot *possibly* understand comp, assuming you ever give it proper consideration, but I see no evidence that *in fact* you have ever understood

How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q A quick video that can shed some light on the inadequacy of bottom-up models. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Feb 2014, at 18:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q A quick video that can shed some light on the inadequacy of bottom- up models. Nice video, Craig. But don't make it into an opportunist argument against comp, as comp explains why 3p bottom-up

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-16 Thread David Nyman
On 16 February 2014 19:05, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Why not being agnostic, especially that you have admitted not having studied computer science. Why being negative on something that you ignore? Because he understands that comp cannot possibly be true. David -- You received

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:09:13 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 16 February 2014 19:05, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:wrote: Why not being agnostic, especially that you have admitted not having studied computer science. Why being negative on something that you ignore?

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:05:09 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Feb 2014, at 18:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q A quick video that can shed some light on the inadequacy of bottom-up models. Nice video, Craig. But don't make it into an

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-16 Thread David Nyman
When have I ever suggested that? I don't suppose any such thing. I would however say that you have so far been impervious to reasoned argument with respect to comp, on the sole apparent premise that your prior understanding suffices to trump reason itself. David On 16 Feb 2014 21:38, Craig

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:47:46 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: When have I ever suggested that? I don't suppose any such thing. I would however say that you have so far been impervious to reasoned argument with respect to comp, on the sole apparent premise that your prior

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-16 Thread David Nyman
On 17 February 2014 00:29, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: You don't suggest that I can't understand comp, but you suggest that I am impervious to reasoned argument about it...why would that be the case if I understood comp as you seem to think it deserves to be understood? You

Re: How Wolves Change Rivers

2014-02-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:07:06 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 17 February 2014 00:29, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: You don't suggest that I can't understand comp, but you suggest that I am impervious to reasoned argument about it...why would that be the case