Re: Little exercise

2008-11-21 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 20, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2008, at 10:13, Kory Heath wrote: What is your definition of mathematicalism here? Strong definition: the big everything is a mathematical object. (But perhaps this is asking too much. The whole of math is already not a

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-21 Thread John Mikes
Kory: ...It's not that I don't believe in life In WHAT??? Some people believe in god, some in numbers, none can reasonably identify the target of their belief. How about you? * ... I just that I think that molecules, bits, patterns, whatever, are the things that play the role ... The listed

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-20 Thread Kory Heath
Hi Bruno, I should probably let this thread die so that we can concentrate on the MGA thread. But there are a few more things I wanted to respond to. On Nov 18, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Nov 2008, at 14:14, Kory Heath wrote: In the meantime, I at least want to say that

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Thanks fo your clarification Anna. We will have the opportunity to come back on some nuances later. I basically agree with your solution, but I would have to explain the entire MGA + a part of its arithmetical translation to be completely accurate commenting your, a bit to prematurely

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-20 Thread A. Wolf
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks fo your clarification Anna. We will have the opportunity to come back on some nuances later. I basically agree with your solution, but I would have to explain the entire MGA + a part of its arithmetical

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kory, On 20 Nov 2008, at 10:13, Kory Heath wrote: I should probably let this thread die so that we can concentrate on the MGA thread. But there are a few more things I wanted to respond to. On Nov 18, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Nov 2008, at 14:14, Kory Heath wrote:

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 18-nov.-08, à 18:31, A. Wolf a écrit : i am not sure I understand. Are you thinking that the hero is in its own simulation? No. The tape isn't a standard Turing tape because it's infinitely long. :) ? That's why someone can't perform the calculation stepwise in the way that it

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-19 Thread A. Wolf
Well if you take any finite portion of the universe then you have a finite amount of matter, this finite amount of matter has a finite set of possible permutations hence for a given block of universes of the same size there is only a finite set of possible arrangement of the matter in those.

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
Bruno, Our hero first solves physics and then programs a physical simulator to create a universe. You would argue that what he needed was to execute a universal dovetailer and physics would appear as a consequence (to the inhabitants of said universe(s)). Right? Cheers, Telmo Menezes. On Tue,

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-18 Thread A. Wolf
- Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:23 AM Subject: Little exercise Hi, A joke could hardly been wrong, yet, if taken seriously enough, a joke could be made more correct! (and probably less funny, but that's

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
Telmo, On 18 Nov 2008, at 12:40, Telmo Menezes wrote: Our hero first solves physics and then programs a physical simulator to create a universe. You would argue that what he needed was to execute a universal dovetailer and physics would appear as a consequence (to the inhabitants of said

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:23 AM Subject: Little exercise Hi, A joke could hardly been wrong, yet, if taken seriously enough, a joke could be made more correct! (and probably less funny, but that's not the point). How would you make correct

Re: Little exercise

2008-11-18 Thread A. Wolf
i am not sure I understand. Are you thinking that the hero is in its own simulation? No. The tape isn't a standard Turing tape because it's infinitely long. :) That's why someone can't perform the calculation stepwise in the way that it is described, even given infinite time. Anna