Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Eh You asked me to explain my position better. If you say that you already knew that, That is fantastic. My answer is against the ones that think that something is better than something other based on some simple factors. And use it to discard as flawed the process that consider all the factors

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-19 Thread meekerdb
To whom was this a reply? Brent On 3/19/2015 11:55 AM, LizR wrote: As far as I know evolutionary advantage means favouring the replication of a specific trait (or the genes underlying it) over competing traits. The simplistic reasoning of an ignorant is the reasoning of Charles Darwin and

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
good or bad for what circunstances and for what unit of evolution in what amount of time? . If I say sexual reproduction is bad, because, mitosis is a delicate process that may fail and produce many problems. cloning is better because it is simpler. therefore natural selection do it wrong

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-19 Thread LizR
As far as I know evolutionary advantage means favouring the replication of a specific trait (or the genes underlying it) over competing traits. The simplistic reasoning of an ignorant is the reasoning of Charles Darwin and Richard Dawkins - that evolution acts on the individual in the first case,

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
LizR: My descendants can not develop wings living in mountains, even if wings permit us to move faster, this does not mean that natural selection do it wrong. Even if there are animals that fly. My descendants will not develop wings because my other traits forces to solve the problem of

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-19 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
, Mar 19, 2015 12:24 pm Subject: Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all By the way number 2: The theory of evolution is the most biased name for natural selection. Theory of tradition would have been a better name by far. Since practically 100% of the traits are inherited from

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-19 Thread LizR
On 20 March 2015 at 09:21, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: LizR: My descendants can not develop wings living in mountains, even if wings permit us to move faster, this does not mean that natural selection do it wrong. Even if there are animals that fly. My descendants will not

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
By the way number 2: The theory of evolution is the most biased name for natural selection. Theory of tradition would have been a better name by far. Since practically 100% of the traits are inherited from generation to generation Theory of evolution is not only biased, but ideologically biased

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-18 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 01:08:05PM +1300, LizR wrote: Damn it, I've often cited this as an example of unintelligent design and now the creationists get the last laugh. Oh well that's science! http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-purpose-of-our-eyes-strange-wiring-is-unveiled The

Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-18 Thread LizR
Damn it, I've often cited this as an example of unintelligent design and now the creationists get the last laugh. Oh well that's science! http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-purpose-of-our-eyes-strange-wiring-is-unveiled -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-18 Thread LizR
Yeah, I wondered about noctural animals. Also, they say: This is a long-standing puzzle, even more so since the same structure, of neurons before light detectors, exists in all vertebrates, showing evolutionary stability. Which also strikes me as suspect since it could just be not worth correcting

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

2015-03-18 Thread meekerdb
On 3/18/2015 5:08 PM, LizR wrote: Damn it, I've often cited this as an example of unintelligent design and now the creationists get the last laugh. Oh well that's science! http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-purpose-of-our-eyes-strange-wiring-is-unveiled I don't think you need to