Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Apr 2012, at 22:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 05.04.2012 21:44 meekerdb said the following: On 4/5/2012 11:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Display to whom? the homunculus? No, he creates an interesting scheme to escape the homunculus: p. 110. “(1) the unconscious brain constructs a

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Apr 5, 12:41 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: We do not know what kind of computing brain does. It well might be that at the level of neuron nets it was simpler to create a conscious display than to employ other means. That assumes that such a means was a prori possible. Why

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Bruno, I believe that you are unfair to Jeffery Gray. As I have mentioned, his conclusion was that the modern science (here as accepted by a majority of scientists) cannot explain conscious phenomena. Hence, in a way he was ready to reconsider the accepted scientific framework. The

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-06 Thread meekerdb
On 4/6/2012 9:26 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Bruno, I believe that you are unfair to Jeffery Gray. As I have mentioned, his conclusion was that the modern science (here as accepted by a majority of scientists) cannot explain conscious phenomena. Hence, in a way he was ready to reconsider the

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Evgenii, I believe that you are unfair to Jeffery Gray. As I have mentioned, his conclusion was that the modern science (here as accepted by a majority of scientists) cannot explain conscious phenomena. Hence, in a way he was ready to reconsider the accepted scientific framework. I can

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.04.2012 01:43 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Apr 4, 2:58 pm, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: The term late error detection as such could be employed without consciousness indeed. Yet, Jeffrey Gray gives it some special meaning that I will try briefly describe below. Jeffrey

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-05 Thread meekerdb
On 4/4/2012 11:58 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: The term late error detection as such could be employed without consciousness indeed. Yet, Jeffrey Gray gives it some special meaning that I will try briefly describe below. Jeffrey Gray in his book speaks about conscious experience, that is, exactly

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-05 Thread meekerdb
On 4/5/2012 9:41 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 05.04.2012 01:43 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Apr 4, 2:58 pm, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: The term late error detection as such could be employed without consciousness indeed. Yet, Jeffrey Gray gives it some special meaning that

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.04.2012 20:07 meekerdb said the following: On 4/4/2012 11:58 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: The term late error detection as such could be employed without consciousness indeed. Yet, Jeffrey Gray gives it some special meaning that I will try briefly describe below. Jeffrey Gray in his book

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.04.2012 20:10 meekerdb said the following: On 4/5/2012 9:41 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 05.04.2012 01:43 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Apr 4, 2:58 pm, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: The term late error detection as such could be employed without consciousness indeed.

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-05 Thread meekerdb
On 4/5/2012 11:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Display to whom? the homunculus? No, he creates an interesting scheme to escape the homunculus: p. 110. “(1) the unconscious brain constructs a display in a medium, that of conscious perception, fundamentally different from its usual medium of

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.04.2012 21:44 meekerdb said the following: On 4/5/2012 11:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Display to whom? the homunculus? No, he creates an interesting scheme to escape the homunculus: p. 110. “(1) the unconscious brain constructs a display in a medium, that of conscious perception,

Re: Primitive Awareness and Symmetry: Late error detection

2012-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Apr 4, 2:58 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: The term late error detection as such could be employed without consciousness indeed. Yet, Jeffrey Gray gives it some special meaning that I will try briefly describe below. Jeffrey Gray in his book speaks about conscious experience,