Re: Fwd: Implementation/Relativity

1999-07-29 Thread Hans Moravec
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Earlier I think Hans said that one possible observer was the conscious entity himself. I am an observer of my own consciousness. My consciousness (or lack thereof) is subjective, and varies depending on the observer, but one of the observers is me. Does this mean that

Re: Fwd: Implementation/Relativity

1999-07-28 Thread Russell Standish
Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't think we ever discussed the concept of attributing consciousness to inanimate objects before Hans came along. But I think you DID agree to attribute consciousness to purely abstract entities, notably mathematically defined universes

Re: Fwd: Implementation/Relativity

1999-07-28 Thread hal
Hans Moravec, [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: Christopher Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If our tools were sophisticated enough, we could figure out what that creature was experiencing at that moment, independent of his or her report. NO! We may determine the full physical structure of an

Re: Fwd: Implementation/Relativity

1999-07-27 Thread Russell Standish
Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: conciousness we experience directly ... generated by some kind of self-referential process ... is intrinsically a different to the Turing type tests we perform to attribute conciousness in external objects. ... nor do I think it a particularly