Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-26 Thread LizR
On 25 March 2015 at 15:15, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: If I ask you assuming Eastern Standard Time did the Big Bang happen on a Thursday? The ultimate version of Last Thursdayism ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:15 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: it will be more than human. I'm not sure what that means. It means that a future machine can perform any task in a way that is superior to way that

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Generally when Watson was wrong he knew he was probably wrong. I find that significant. I find that significant too, but this probability is

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Generally when Watson was wrong he knew he was probably wrong. I find that significant. I find that significant too, but this probability is ultimately computed by analysing frequencies of occurrence of terms and

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread LizR
On 26 March 2015 at 07:00, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Yes, I also suspect that no deity exists but it will, in the future. If you are curious about how this is already transforming into a religion, google for Roko's basilisk. Also the plot of Frank Herbert's Destination

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread John Clark
PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: What is our disagreement here exactly? You just seem to dislike my lack of reverence for Watson. I have no problem when people point out that Watson can't perform task X, but it makes me nuts when they say Watson accomplished task X much better

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-25 Thread LizR
This could be just thye benevolent dictator we need to sort out the planet we're ruining. I for one welcome our silicon based overlords... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/23/2015 1:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:50 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I said it before I'll say it

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:52 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: In my opinion the fundamental problem with the Turing Test is that passing it is an act of deception. The computer has to fake being a human. Lying

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread LizR
On 25 March 2015 at 06:23, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Most people can't do that either. And researchers at the University of Edinburgh made a machine that can write jokes such as I like my relationships like I like my source, open. Well OK maybe it's not a particularly funny

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread LizR
On 25 March 2015 at 06:23, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: And anyway the really important thing isn't if you can detect if the thing you're talking to is a human but if you can detect if the thing you're talking to

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 6:23 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: And anyway the really important thing isn't if you can detect if the thing you're talking to is a human but if you can detect if the thing you're

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: it will be more than human. I'm not sure what that means. It means that a future machine can perform any task in a way that is superior to way that any human who ever lived could using any definition of superior that you care

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-24 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: And anyway the really important thing isn't if you can detect if the thing you're talking to is a human but if you can detect if the thing you're talking to is intelligent. Yes, that is the important thing. That is not

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-23 Thread meekerdb
On 3/23/2015 1:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:50 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I said it before I'll say it

Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:50 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I said it before I'll say it again, only somebody terrified of machine intelligence would make that argument. Who is making that argument? Not me. Not

Re: Turing Test (was: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness)

2015-03-23 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: In my opinion the fundamental problem with the Turing Test is that passing it is an act of deception. The computer has to fake being a human. Lying takes intelligence, some have even suggested that the ability to deceive our