Re: Why we debate religion: two completely different types of truth.

2012-09-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:44, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal SNIP BRUNO: I mainly agree [that there are two types of truth, one ruling the objective world, the other, being subjective, ruling the subjective world]. But then why coming with factual assertion, about a Jesus guy. I can

Re: Re: Why we debate religion: two completely different types of truth.

2012-09-13 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal SNIP BRUNO: I mainly agree [that there are two types of truth, one ruling the objective world, the other, being subjective, ruling the subjective world]. But then why coming with factual assertion, about a Jesus guy. I can accept the parabolas, but I can't take a

Re: Re: Why we debate religion: two completely different types of truth.

2012-09-13 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-12, 15:17:08 Subject: Re: Why we debate religion: two completely different types of truth. May not be of interest, but the Reform branch on Judaism has a prayer for Doubt in their High Holiday services. That may

Re: Why we debate religion: two completely different types of truth.

2012-09-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Richard, Judaism, but also taoism have a tradition to consider texts has deserving comments, and sequence of comments. That is nice indeed, and make the approach closer to the scientific approach. But I talk about ideal science, as science can have pope and argument per authority too,

Re: Why we debate religion: two completely different types of truth.

2012-09-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
May not be of interest, but the Reform branch on Judaism has a prayer for Doubt in their High Holiday services. That may be one reason why some have become such good scientists. Richard On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Sep 2012, at 13:50, Roger

Why we debate religion: two completely different types of truth.

2012-09-09 Thread Roger Clough
Why we debate religion: two completely different and frequently confused types of truth. There are two completely different types of truth. The first is rational or objective or public truth, discussed in philosophies of truth and logic. The second is truth known only privately or