RE: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-06-07 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis wrote I got here this way: to be consistent, I must use all my knowledge to arrive at a class of events and processes that I approve of, and classes that I disapprove of. I decided that it was bad for me to suffer. Then since by physics, I seem to be any sufficiently

RE: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-07 Thread Brent Meeker
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:36 PM To: Brent Meeker Cc: EverythingList list Subject: Re: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure Le 06-juin-05, à 01:40, Brent Meeker a écrit : What do you take to be the

RE: Against Fundamentalism!

2005-06-07 Thread Lee Corbin
It's perfectly clear to me which of the two is more important: prediction or explanation? Now that I have been self-liberated from fear of circularity, it's clear that: each is more important than the other! Lee P.S. Someone pointed out to me off-list that I was far from the first to have had

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-juin-05, à 22:51, Hal Finney a écrit : I share most of Paddy Leahy's concerns and areas of confusion with regard to the Why Occam discussion so far. I really don't understand what it means to explain appearances rather than reality. Well this I understand. I would even argue that

Re: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 07-juin-05, à 00:31, Brent Meeker a écrit : BM: For knowability I take the S4 axioms and rules: 1) axioms: all classical tautologies> BX -> X BX -> BBX B(X->Y) -> (BX -> BY) 2) Rule: X X -> Y X --- - (Modus ponens, necessitation) YBX But in

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-07 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 08:29:57AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 06-juin-05, ? 22:51, Hal Finney a ?crit : I share most of Paddy Leahy's concerns and areas of confusion with regard to the Why Occam discussion so far. I really don't understand what it means to explain appearances rather

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 07-juin-05, à 09:20, Russell Standish a écrit : On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 08:29:57AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 06-juin-05, ? 22:51, Hal Finney a ?crit : I share most of Paddy Leahy's concerns and areas of confusion with regard to the Why Occam discussion so far. I really don't understand

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-07 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:37:10AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. it seems to me that (equation 14 at http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks/docs/occam/node4.html ) ? In LaTeX, this equation is \frac {d\psi}{d t}={\cal H}(\psi) It supposes time, but not space (TIME postulate).

RE: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-06-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Lee Corbin wrote: [quoting Stathis] I got here this way: to be consistent, I must use all my knowledge to arrive at a class of events and processes that I approve of, and classes that I disapprove of. I decided that it was bad for me to suffer. Then since by physics, I seem to

Re: Functionalism and People as Programs

2005-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-juin-05, à 19:45, Lee Corbin a écrit : Bruno provides the exercise I notice that many people seek refuge in the no-copying theorem of QM. Exercise: 1) Show by a qualitative informal reasoning that if we are Turing emulable then a no-cloning theorem is a necessity. My best guess

Re: Against Fundamentalism!

2005-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 07-juin-05, à 08:27, Lee Corbin a écrit : It's perfectly clear to me which of the two is more important: prediction or explanation? Now that I have been self-liberated from fear of circularity, it's clear that: each is more important than the other! Here I think you contradict yourself

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 07-juin-05, à 12:28, Russell Standish a écrit : On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:37:10AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. it seems to me that (equation 14 at http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks/docs/occam/node4.html ) ? In LaTeX, this equation is \frac {d\psi}{d t}={\cal H}(\psi) It

Re: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-07 Thread Jesse Mazer
rmiller wrote: At 03:58 PM 6/6/2005, you wrote: rmiller wrote: At 03:01 PM 6/6/2005, Pete Carlton wrote: (snip) The point is, there are enough stories published in any year that it would be a trivial matter to find a few superficial resemblances between any event and a story that came

The tedious hypothesis and the reason for it. . .

2005-06-07 Thread rmiller
All, My tedious complaint about scientists prejudging issues prior to analysis (the facts don't warrant. . .etc) extends beyond the superficially weird (Heinlein's story) to the comparatively normal. While I'm not suggesting anyone who does this routinely is anything other than merely

Re: Another tedious hypothetical

2005-06-07 Thread rmiller
At 02:45 PM 6/7/2005, Jesse Mazer wrote: (snip) Of course in this example Feynman did not anticipate in advance what licence plate he'd see, but the kind of hindsight bias you are engaging in can be shown with another example. Suppose you pick 100 random words out of a dictionary, and then

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-07 Thread Patrick Leahy
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Russell Standish wrote: Hal dealt with this one already, I notice. 2^\aleph_0 = c. \aleph_1 is something else entirely. d'oh! snip Now an observer will expect to find a SAS in one of the descriptions as a corrolory of the anthropic principle, which is explicitly

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-07 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 05:57:17PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 07-juin-05, ? 12:28, Russell Standish a ?crit : On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:37:10AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. it seems to me that (equation 14 at http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks/docs/occam/node4.html ) ?

Re: Questions on Russell's Why Occam paper

2005-06-07 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:15:03PM +0100, Patrick Leahy wrote: Now an observer will expect to find a SAS in one of the descriptions as a corrolory of the anthropic principle, which is explicitly stated as one of the assumptions in this work. I make no bones about this - I consider the

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2005-06-07 Thread Jonathan Colvin
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RE: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...

2005-06-07 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Lee: Not quite! It turns out that everyone who knows them regards identical twins as different persons. And so regards them, I am pretty certain as different people in a way that they were *NOT* so regard you and your duplicate. You and your duplicate---created yesterday, say---would be

RE: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

2005-06-07 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Hal Finney wrote: To apply Wei's method, first we need to get serious about what is an OM. We need a formal model and description of a particular OM. Consider, for example, someone's brain when he is having a particular experience. He is eating chocolate ice cream while listening to