RE: Maudlin's argument

2006-10-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Russell Standish writes: > I don't quite follow your argument. OMs are not computations. Whatever > they are under computationalism, they must be defined by a set of > information, a particular meaning to a particular observer. Computationalists do sometimes say things like "cognition is comput

Re: Maudlin's argument

2006-10-15 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 07:00:19PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > Russell Standish writes: > > > I don't quite follow your argument. OMs are not computations. Whatever > > they are under computationalism, they must be defined by a set of > > information, a particular meaning to a parti

RE: Maudlin's argument

2006-10-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Russell Standish writes: > OMs are defined by some information. Very clearly more than 1 bit is > involved, but it is presumably finite. > > Let us say that within this OM I am aware of two apples - 1 red and 1 > green. The information describing one of these apples is the > "component" I was r

Re: Maudlin's argument

2006-10-15 Thread 1Z
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > I was using "quantum state" as synonymous with "physical state", which I guess > is what you are referring to in the above paragraph. The observer sees a > classical > universe because in observing he collapses the wave function or selects one > branch > of the mult

Re: Maudlin's argument

2006-10-15 Thread 1Z
Russell Standish wrote: > On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 07:03:18AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Also see my reply to Russell below: > > > > > > >Russell Standish > > > > > >The Multiverse is defined as the set of consistent histories described > > >by the Schroedinger equation. I make the id

Re: Maudlin's argument

2006-10-15 Thread 1Z
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 1Z wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > The key point I think is that both the A-theorists and the B-theorists > > > are partially right. > > > > The B-series is easily compatible with the A-series. The point > > about a block universe is that there is no A

Re: Maudlin's argument

2006-10-15 Thread 1Z
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > Russell Standish writes: > > > If the same QM state is associated with different observer moments, > > you must be talking about some non-functionalist approach to > > consciousness. The QM state, by definition, contains all information > > that can be extracted from

Re: Maudlin's argument

2006-10-15 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:53:07PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > Russell Standish writes: > > > OMs are defined by some information. Very clearly more than 1 bit is > > involved, but it is presumably finite. > > > > Let us say that within this OM I am aware of two apples - 1 red and

RE: Maudlin's argument

2006-10-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > Russell Standish writes: > > > > > If the same QM state is associated with different observer moments, > > > you must be talking about some non-functionalist approach to > > > consciousness. The QM state, by definition, contains all informa