Re: Boltzmann brains

2007-06-02 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
A criticism to the whole idea. We actually do not have a definition of observer. We don't know what structure is needed for consciousness and even what phenomenon is the basic cause of a mental entity. In such an atmosphere one can oppose in the same (somehow in-scientific) way; for example I

Re: Interesting talk about how our minds shape our perception of reality

2007-06-02 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
I haven't seen the video yet, but I guess what you said are the words of mysterians. They believe that we can not solve some problems at all (mainly the mind-body problem), as if it's like teaching quantum physics to monkeys. You'd not accomplish that, because they're incapable of understanding

Re: Asifism

2007-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-juin-07, à 18:47, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : Bruno Marchal skrev: One more question: supposing you are correct, is it ethically wrong to torture you? Is it ethically wrong to torture an entity without consciousness (supposing we could be sure of that) even if it acts like it was

Re: Boltzmann brains

2007-06-02 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 02/06/07, Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another possibility is that Boltzmann Brains arising out of chaos are the observer moments which associate to produce the first person appearance of continuity of consciousness and an orderly universe. Binding together observer moments thus

Re: Interesting talk about how our minds shape our perception of reality

2007-06-02 Thread Brent Meeker
Mohsen Ravanbakhsh wrote: I haven't seen the video yet, but I guess what you said are the words of mysterians. They believe that we can not solve some problems at all (mainly the mind-body problem), as if it's like teaching quantum physics to monkeys. You'd not accomplish that, because

Re: Asifism

2007-06-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, I'd say that I'm more sure of my own existence than anything else. Even if consciousness is an illusion, this illusion still is and need explanation... This illusion ask question about herself I can hear my thought, saying the're not real will not make them disappear. Quentin On Friday

How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-02 Thread Hal Finney
Various projects exist today aiming at building a true Artificial Intelligence. Sometimes these researchers use the term AGI, Artificial General Intelligence, to distinguish their projects from mainstream AI which tends to focus on specific tasks. A conference on such projects will be held next

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
On Saturday 02 June 2007 22:13:30 Hal Finney wrote: but is it something an AI could logically conclude? Hal I guess if it was conscious... sure ;) Quentin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
I'd like to add a definition of consciousness. Consciousness is the inner narative composed of sounds/images/feelings which present itself as 'I'. What is (the origin/meaning) of 'I', I don't know, but 'I' is the consciousness. Quentin On Saturday 02 June 2007 22:13:30 Hal Finney wrote:

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-02 Thread Brent Meeker
Quentin Anciaux wrote: I'd like to add a definition of consciousness. Consciousness is the inner narative composed of sounds/images/feelings which present itself as 'I'. What is (the origin/meaning) of 'I', I don't know, but 'I' is the consciousness. Quentin John McCarthy notes that

Re: Asifism

2007-06-02 Thread Pete Carlton
On Jun 1, 2007, at 6:53 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: I assure you, at least one entity in the universe is conscious: me. If evolution could have made me a zombie, it would have. Therefore, it seems reasonable to assume that evolution couldn't help but grant me consciousness as a