Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread 1Z
On Dec 22 2011, 12:18 pm, alexalex alexmka...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Everythinglisters! The below text is a philosophical essay on what qualia may represent. I doubt you'll manage to finish reading it (it's kind of long, and translated from anoter language), but if you do I'll be happy to

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2012, at 06:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But naturalism want to explain things by reducing it to nature or natural law, If you want to explain X you say that X exists because of Y. It's true that Y can be

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 9, 6:06 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I agree with your general reply to Craig, but I disagree that computations are physical. That's the revisionist conception of computation, defended by Deustch, Landauer, etc. Computations have been discovered by mathematicians when

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2012, at 14:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 9, 6:06 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I agree with your general reply to Craig, but I disagree that computations are physical. That's the revisionist conception of computation, defended by Deustch, Landauer, etc.

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 9, 12:00 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jan 2012, at 14:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 9, 6:06 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I agree with your general reply to Craig, but I disagree that computations are physical. That's the revisionist conception

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread acw
On 1/9/2012 19:54, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 9, 12:00 pm, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jan 2012, at 14:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 9, 6:06 am, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I agree with your general reply to Craig, but I disagree that computations are

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 9, 12:56 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But naturalism want to explain things by reducing it to nature or natural law, If you want to explain X you say that X exists because of Y. It's true that Y can

Re: How does comp explain the uncanny valley?

2012-01-09 Thread terren
For Stephen and anyone else interested, I asked the following to Steve Grand regarding the capacity of his Grandroids to do self-modeling: Quick question (and forgive me if this has already come up) - do you think the grandroids will have the capacity for self-modeling? If so, is there

Re: How does comp explain the uncanny valley?

2012-01-09 Thread Stephen P. King
Thanks Terren! Good stuff! Onward! Stephen On 1/9/2012 2:40 PM, terren wrote: For Stephen and anyone else interested, I asked the following to Steve Grand regarding the capacity of his Grandroids to do self-modeling: Quick question (and forgive me if this has already come up) - do you

Re: An analogy for Qualia

2012-01-09 Thread John Clark
Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: No free will = no hunger. No need for it. No mechanism for it. No logic to it. Cannot comment, don't know what ASCII sequence free will means. That was my point. Knowing how to eat does not require logic or induction. But your question was Is it