For Stephen and anyone else interested, I asked the following to Steve Grand regarding the capacity of his Grandroids to do self-modeling:
"Quick question (and forgive me if this has already come up) - do you think the grandroids will have the capacity for self-modeling? If so, is there something in the way you will design the brains (as such, from the bottom up) that will somehow encourage self-modeling? I'm working on the assumption that that is something you wouldn't be designing in explicitly, but I also know that you are realistic about tradeoffs involved between design and emergence." And his response: "They'll certainly (all being well!) develop a model of their own body and how it works. How far that will extend, though, is a tricky question. Basically the system learns by observation of itself. At first it observes how its senses tend to change over time and how initially random motor actions alter the environment and sensation. Later it will observe itself doing simple motor responses to things and develop higher level understandiing of the sensation-action-sensation loop. Whether in principle it could go on to observe its own thoughts and reflect on them in a more cognitive way I don't know. Right now I'll be impressed when it just manages to learn how to look in a chosen direction, but I think the principle extends quite a long way, even if the practice can't keep up with it!" Terren terren wrote: > > As far as I understand it, if grandroids are capable of self-modeling, it > would not be programmed in beforehand but rather emerge somehow. But I'm > not sure, I'll ask. > On Jan 1, 2012 2:30 PM, "Stephen P. King" <stephe...@charter.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Does Steve Grand's game include self-modeling? >> >> Onward! >> >> Stephen >> >> On 1/1/2012 10:32 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >>> On Jan 1, 8:29 am, Terren Suydam<terren.suy...@gmail.com**> wrote: >>> >>>> Steve Grand's latest project, an artificial-life game called >>>> Grandroids, >>>> does just that. The bottom layer (substitution level) is an artificial >>>> chemistry and biology, including analogues to dna, metabolism, cells >>>> (including neurons of course), hormones, and so on. He's concentrating >>>> on >>>> building a very robust and dynamic set of base components that will be >>>> assembled from the dna in ways that result in an artificial animal... >>>> an >>>> animal that has no behaviors programmed in by Steve or anyone else. >>>> Whatever it does will be completely emergent. >>>> >>>> He's still building it, so a lot of stuff has to be proved out, but if >>>> all >>>> goes right, these animals will display coherent, apparently >>>> goal-directed >>>> behaviors in such a way that the most parsimonious explanation of >>>> what's >>>> happening is that a new layer of "psychology" has emerged from the >>>> computational substrate. >>>> >>>> Even if Steve fails, it is at least possible in principle to see how >>>> that >>>> could happen. >>>> >>>> Happy new year! >>>> >>> If Steve fails, it will also be possible to see how that principle >>> falls short in reality and bring functionalism to it's inevitable dead >>> end. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@ >> **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/How-does-comp-explain-the-uncanny-valley--tp33054470p33107788.html Sent from the Everything List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
