On Jan 9, 12:56 am, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > But naturalism want to explain things by reducing it to nature or natural > > law, > > If you want to explain X you say that X exists because of Y. It's true that > Y can be nothing and thus the existence of X is random, but let's assume > that Y is something;in that case if you don't want to call Y "natural law" > what do you want to call it? > > > Computationalism asks for an explanation for the natural laws, > > And if found those explanations would be yet more natural laws; however we > don't know that there is a explanation for everything, some things might be > fundamental. I have a hunch that consciousness is fundamental and it's just > the way data feels like when it's being processed;
If that were the case than having multiple senses would be redundant. What we find instead is that plugging data from a piano note into a visual graphic does not yield any sensory parity. A deaf person cannot understand sound this way. If you turn it around so that feeling is fundamental and data is just the idea our cortex has when it is analyzing experiences, then it makes sense that there would be arithmetic patterns common to many experiences that the cortex can consider - and that those patterns could be used effectively to control phenomena on other frames (so long as we have physical devices to control them). > the trouble is that even > if consciousness is fundamental a proof of that fact probably does not > exist, That's not a problem if it's fundamental. The problem is presuming that a sense of 'proof' is fundamental. >so people will continue to invent consciousness theories trying to > explain it till the end of time but none of those theories will be worth a > bucket of warm spit. I think consciousness is easy to explain if you stop looking so hard and forcing it into a box. It's telling us what it is every day. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
