Re: Climate change

2012-12-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Dec 2012, at 14:33, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/3/2012 7:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: So our existence at the current level is bad' and we are to revert back to some primitive non-tech version and be happy. OK. Proceed there without me. I am not interested in telling you how to

Re: Climate change

2012-12-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
Dear Bruno, FYI: http://www.sciencedaily.com/**releases/2008/06/080602160845.**htmhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080602160845.htm 15 people is not a serious sample, and then, to make it illegal you have to compare with the long-term effect of other activities (alcohol,

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Dec 2012, at 17:10, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Did you mean I saw W or M, which is indeed confirmed by the two copies? Or I saw W or I saw M, which again is confirmed by the two copies? I meant that a observer who did not want to

Re: Climate change

2012-12-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Dec 2012, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 12/3/2012 4:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You might be right, I am not sure. Then, the fear sellers did not need the climate change for imposing tyranny: food and drug works already very well. (Cf Obama and the NDAA). And they might be

Re: Semantic vs logical truth

2012-12-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Dec 2012, at 21:55, meekerdb wrote: On 12/3/2012 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Dec 2012, at 00:04, meekerdb wrote: On 12/2/2012 7:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The 1p truth of the machine is not coded in the machine. Some actual machines knows already that, and can

Re: no thanks, doctor

2012-12-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Nov 2012, at 19:39, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal OK, I think I may understand the issue of consciousness. Comp is what the brain does in the flesh, I see what you mean: the fleshy brain is supposed to

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-04 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: That's where you're wrong; read the paper more carefully. If you record the which-way the interference is lost. [...] The interference pattern occurs *only* if the which way information is *erased* Nope, you've got it

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-04 Thread meekerdb
On 12/4/2012 8:29 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: That's where you're wrong; read the paper more carefully. If you record the which-way the interference is lost. [...] The interference pattern

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:51:55 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 12/4/2012 8:29 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:26 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.netjavascript: wrote: That's where you're wrong; read the paper more carefully. If you record the which-way the

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-04 Thread meekerdb
On 12/4/2012 11:32 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:51:55 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 12/4/2012 8:29 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:26 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: That's where you're wrong; read the paper more

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 2:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: Kinda depends on what you mean by 'available'. If the entangled photon is allowed to hit a wall and be absorbed, it is only 'available' to a kind of Maxwellian demon who can discern the thermal atomic motions and trace them

Negative entropy

2012-12-04 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:43:02AM -0500, Richard Ruquist wrote: Also I recently learned, I am ashamed to admit, that quantum information theory, which is based on complex numbers, allows for entropy to have negative values. Does comp also make that prediction? I am unable to find a ref

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-04 Thread meekerdb
On 12/4/2012 12:32 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 2:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: Kinda depends on what you mean by 'available'. If the entangled photon is allowed to hit a wall and be absorbed, it is only 'available' to a kind of Maxwellian demon who

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 6:27:42 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 12/4/2012 12:32 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 2:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: Kinda depends on what you mean by 'available'. If the entangled photon is allowed to hit a wall and be absorbed,

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-04 Thread meekerdb
On 12/4/2012 9:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 6:27:42 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 12/4/2012 12:32 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 2:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: Kinda depends on what you mean by 'available'. If the