Re: The missing perceiver in materialism and artificial intelligence and how to implement it

2013-06-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jun 2013, at 19:20, meekerdb wrote: On 6/16/2013 12:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Most are just dualist. They are indeed easily shown inconsistent. But the problem is not the absence of mind, it is the believe in a primary physical reality, which is not sustained by any evidences. ??

Re: In Defense of Penrose. That everybody --including materialists, empiricists and rationalists--is a Platonist

2013-06-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jun 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote: On 6/16/2013 12:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jun 2013, at 21:57, meekerdb wrote: On 6/15/2013 12:40 AM, chris peck wrote: Hi Rog As you have described them a materialist could not be a combination of both rationalism and empiricism,

In spacetime (matter) and beyond spacetime (energy)

2013-06-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Since there has been some question from materialists about my use of the phrase beyond spacetime, I thought I would show that this is a perfectly legitimate concept now being investigated by the likes of Roger Penrose and Lee Smolin. Here is a 2011 article discussing phase space, which is

Re: Consciousness in the Materialist, Computationalist and Leibniz models

2013-06-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jun 2013, at 19:31, Roger Clough wrote: Consciousness in the Materialist, Computationalist and Leibniz models This image of a man looking out a window represents the Subject/ Object distinction. public domain 6_.jpg The man represents the subject, which is subjective or inside.

Re: On Global Warming----The sun is getting a little hotter

2013-06-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Jun 2013, at 01:30, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: snip That people can initiate law is nice, though. I would like to initiate the prohibition of prohibition. Oops :) :-) What is freedom of speech without freedom

Re: How does comp explain interference?

2013-06-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Jun 2013, at 04:39, Jason Resch wrote: One question that comes to my mind is how computationalism might lead to the phenomenon of interference. How is it that infinite programs going through a state can interfere? Might interference be something local to the geography of this

Re: The missing perceiver in materialism and artificial intelligence and how to implement it

2013-06-17 Thread meekerdb
On 6/17/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jun 2013, at 19:20, meekerdb wrote: On 6/16/2013 12:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Most are just dualist. They are indeed easily shown inconsistent. But the problem is not the absence of mind, it is the believe in a primary physical reality,