Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread John Clark
Muslims are certain that the only path to heaven is in following the teachings of Muhammad Allah's messenger, but Christians are certain that is the path to being tortured fiendishly by a loving God for an infinite (and not just astronomical) number of years. Christians are certain that the only

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-11 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, but there have been so much counter examples for the 1997 WMAP analysis that Tipler may end up correct. I don't know what you're talking about. In his 1993 book Tipler made a number of

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-11 Thread meekerdb
On 6/11/2015 6:58 AM, David Nyman wrote: Recent discussions on the purported 'reversal' of the relation between 'machine psychology' and physics seem to be running, as ever, into the sand over disagreements on the meaning and significance of rather complex arguments like the MGA. I'd like to

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-11 Thread meekerdb
On 6/11/2015 10:47 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, but there have been so much counter examples for the 1997 WMAP analysis that Tipler may end up correct.

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread John Mikes
If this John is me: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? A reasonable person should run away from such inhumanity, especially after our

A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-11 Thread David Nyman
Recent discussions on the purported 'reversal' of the relation between 'machine psychology' and physics seem to be running, as ever, into the sand over disagreements on the meaning and significance of rather complex arguments like the MGA. I'd like to try another tack. The computational theory of

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. John K Clark The difference between the three Abrahamic religions

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 04:34, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. My sister in law is a Baha'i and they certainly don't think they're all crap - their

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 10:23, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. John K Clark The

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
Nice summary, though I'm not sure how it's (somewhat) different. Maybe I just missed the point. It looks like it's akin to Maudlin - along the lines of I can explain *your* conscious behaviour using a theory that boils down to what atoms do, but I can't explain *my* subjective experiences that

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
David Nyman wrote: Recent discussions on the purported 'reversal' of the relation between 'machine psychology' and physics seem to be running, as ever, into the sand over disagreements on the meaning and significance of rather complex arguments like the MGA. I'd like to try another tack. It

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
LizR wrote: You also say that 1p phenomena - in a physical theory - have to be eliminated (as per Dennett) or elevated to something we could call supernatural (for the sake of argument - in any case, something not covered by the underlying physics). But the alternative is apparently that

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread meekerdb
On 12 June 2015 at 15:17, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com mailto:samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com mailto:jami...@gmail.com wrote: If this John is me: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 12 Jun 2015, at 9:31 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The difference between the three Abrahamic religions (according to Bill Maher): Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling Judaism = mumbling to the wall Islam = mumbling to the floor I tend to mumble to myself. (Maybe I can

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-11 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Dark energy and matter have predicted by some physicists and astronomers to call the expansion to reverse. I don't know what you're talking about. Dark Energy is causing the universe's expansion to

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-11 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Meh! I have read that some theorists now predict that dark whatever will cause a new contraction and that this is already occuring. Its the sort of thing that gets mentioned in ARIXV, and physorg. Please note, I am not waiting up for the next x-billion years to see if this occurs or not? Sent

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I wouldn't go to Maher for insight anymore then I would go to him for humor. Let the bastard start writing his own jokes again, for once. Solipsism interests me, because we need to know who is thinking the Great Thought, and start asking for changes. If it is a Boltzmann Brain, then again we

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread Samiya Illias
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: If this John is me: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 15:17, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: If this John is me: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 14:19, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Dark energy and matter have predicted by some physicists and astronomers to call the expansion to reverse. I don't know what

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-11 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Dark energy and matter have predicted by some physicists and astronomers to call the expansion to reverse. Whether this really occurs in out of my pudgy hands. No he did not predict dark matter or energy but it seems to be in the cards despite this. Agrees that there is physics that we have

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I do not know if God is helping us. I do suspect that the only thing that we can ask God for strength, one can receive a boost of sorts. BB's are so fantastical that this seems to be unreal, though a serious conjecture. The true God phrase reminds me of the battle between immigrant Irish and

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 07:10, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Not that I put in credence in Tipler's speculations. They seem to be based on a comp1 style idea, namely that consciousness is generated by computation and that recreating the computation would effectively resurrect that person. I