Re: The Weirdening

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > I take a break from the god-wars to propose an idea that I have been > thinking about. This is probably both silly and unoriginal, but here > it goes... > > If we assume the MWI, isn't it the case that we should

Re: The Weirdening

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > Although your evolution may be statistically improbable, mostly at the > biochemical level, there's no reason that the rest of the world should show > any statistical strangeness. After all, your present existence is

Re: The Weirdening

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 27 Dec 2016, at 12:03, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> I take a break from the god-wars to propose an idea that I have been >> thinking about. This is probably both silly and unoriginal, but here >> it goes... >> >> If we

Re: The Weirdening

On 12/27/2016 3:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: Although your evolution may be statistically improbable, mostly at the biochemical level, there's no reason that the rest of the world should show any statistical

Re: The Weirdening

Brent, can you please ask professor Moravec, if he has changed any of his views from the books of his, "Mind Children," and "Robot," regarding consciousness, and human "re-construction? (My weasel-word for it). Thanks- -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes

Re: The Weirdening

I’m on the list. Clammed up around 2000 to get on with robot building. Someday they can answer for themselves. Still a few decades to go, but I expect some machines built to work around people will act as if they have feelings, and awareness of others’ feelings. For all practical purposes

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

John, isn't there a Buddhist saying by the Buddha, "If the Buddha stands in your path (spiritual) strike him down"? -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2016 3:36 pm Subject: Re: An

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:18 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > ​> ​ > John, isn't there a Buddhist saying by the Buddha, "If the Buddha stands > in your path (spiritual) strike him down"? > ​I don't know about the Buddha but I do know ​ Jack Handy

Re: The Weirdening

On 12/27/2016 3:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: I take a break from the god-wars to propose an idea that I have been thinking about. This is probably both silly and unoriginal,

Re: The Weirdening

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/27/2016 3:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >>> >>> Although your evolution may be statistically improbable, mostly at the >>>

Re: The Weirdening

Exactly so. Once we can engineer robots to act with human like intelligence, questions about consciousness will be seen as either meaningless or "the wrong question". Best wishes for your endeavor, Hans. Brent On 12/27/2016 4:48 PM, Hans Moravec wrote: I’m on the list. Clammed up around

Re: The Weirdening

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > Exactly so. Once we can engineer robots to act with human like > intelligence, questions about consciousness will be seen as either > meaningless or "the wrong question". I think it is very unlikely that we will

Re: The Weirdening

Nice, thanks Hans (and Brent)! On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Hans Moravec wrote: > Was expecting you, Brent, to remind Telmo of an SF story > you've recommended in past, that disarmingly unrolls > increasing subjective weirdness from MWI immortality. > > Divided by

Re: The Weirdening

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: >> >> I take a break from the god-wars to propose an idea that I have been >> thinking about. This is probably both silly and

The Weirdening

I take a break from the god-wars to propose an idea that I have been thinking about. This is probably both silly and unoriginal, but here it goes... If we assume the MWI, isn't it the case that we should expect the world to become weirder as we get older? My reasoning is simple: the older you

Re: No gravity / no dark matter

Publish, please. OK. My view is that Digital Mechanism (an assumption in cognitive science, not physics) is very plausible, even if the consequences are strange, given that the observations lead to the same kind of weirdness. I take QM-without-collapse as a confirmation of digital mechanism.

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

On 26 Dec 2016, at 17:54, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/26/2016 12:06 AM, Torgny Tholerus wrote: On 2016-12-26 00:09, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/25/2016 12:40 AM, Torgny Tholerus wrote: I have found that God is exactly the same as my subconscious. And my subconscious is connected to other

Re: The Weirdening

I am betting that as a brains age, the world itself doesn't get weirder, but our perceptions of what is correct and true, can. We have experience, say, apart from when we were 18-26 years old and remember the past. Hopefully, technology will make things weirder, in a mostly good way. If you go

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

On 26 Dec 2016, at 18:08, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/26/2016 4:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have made it clear in posts and papers that the God of the machine is Arithmetical Truth... .. And speaking of a ​ sack full of doorknobs, how can one tell the difference between a serious

Re: The Weirdening

Although your evolution may be statistically improbable, mostly at the biochemical level, there's no reason that the rest of the world should show any statistical strangeness. After all, your present existence is also extremely improbable. Brent On 12/27/2016 3:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:

Re: The Weirdening

On 27 Dec 2016, at 12:03, Telmo Menezes wrote: I take a break from the god-wars to propose an idea that I have been thinking about. This is probably both silly and unoriginal, but here it goes... If we assume the MWI, isn't it the case that we should expect the world to become weirder as we

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

On 26 Dec 2016, at 20:18, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​Well... at least atheists have some notation in mind when they use the word​​ [God]​.​ ​> ​But why chosing the notion from a theory they claim to disbelieve.

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

On 12/27/2016 6:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Dec 2016, at 18:08, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/26/2016 4:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have made it clear in posts and papers that the God of the machine is Arithmetical Truth... .. And speaking of a ​ sack full of doorknobs, how can one

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

On 12/27/2016 10:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Dec 2016, at 20:18, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Bruno Marchal >wrote: ​>> ​ Well... at least atheists have some notation in mind when they use the

Re: The Weirdening

Was expecting you, Brent, to remind Telmo of an SF story you've recommended in past, that disarmingly unrolls increasing subjective weirdness from MWI immortality. Divided by Infinity Robert Charles Wilson 1998 http://www.tor.com/2010/08/05/divided-by-infinity/ > On Dec 27, 2016, at 13:34 ,

Re: The Weirdening

I like that story because it illustrates that quantum immortality may not be so desirable. But I don't think it's realistic. Brent On 12/27/2016 11:42 AM, Hans Moravec wrote: Was expecting you, Brent, to remind Telmo of an SF story you've recommended in past, that disarmingly unrolls

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > My God, as you call it, is a testable theory, since physics is derived > from a internal modal variant of self-reference. I derived formally a > quantum logic, and explained informally how we get the statistical >

Re: The Weirdening

> On 27 Dec. 2016, at 10:03 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > I take a break from the god-wars to propose an idea that I have been > thinking about. This is probably both silly and unoriginal, but here > it goes... > > If we assume the MWI, isn't it the case that we should