RE: subjective reality

2005-08-15 Thread Lee Corbin
Stephen writes > Just one point while I have some time and mental clarity. Can a Realist > accept that "a wholly independent world "out there" exists and existed > before he did" and yet can admit that the particular properties of this > "independent world" are not *definite* prior to the s

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-15 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Lee, Just one point while I have some time and mental clarity. Can a Realist accept that "a wholly independent world "out there" exists and existed before he did" and yet can admit that the particular properties of this "independent world" are not *definite* prior to the specification o

RE: subjective reality

2005-08-15 Thread Lee Corbin
Chris writes > Russell's (wasnt it Bernard Williams'?) criticism of the cogito is just to > say that Descartes added non certainties to his certainty. The assumption of > an 'I' to recieve the 'Thoughts'. Nevertheless, with regards to the hardcore > 'realist', this isnt going to be much comfort

RE: The Reality of Observer Moments

2005-08-15 Thread Lee Corbin
Bruno writes > Lee Corbin a écrit : > > > Stephen writes > > > >> I would like for you to consider that we should not take OMs as > >> "objective processes" but the result of "objective processes". > > > > Of course, I will bow to whatever word usage is favored by most of > > the people, or by

subjective reality

2005-08-15 Thread John M
(The original went only to Bruno's addressw) To: Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, everything-list@eskimo.com In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bruno, your postulate of testability is falling into obsole

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-15 Thread chris peck
Brent said: As Bertrand Russell pointed out long ago, the existence of a "self" who "has" the experiences is an inference. grrr! It doesnt matter how long ago anyone pointed anything out! Things do not get truer or falser as they get older. They come in and out of vogue. Russell's (wasnt it

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-15 Thread kurtleegod
Hi Bruno, Thanks for your answers. I follow you in passing on our points of agreement (and erasing them). Godfrey Kurtz (New Brunswick, NJ) -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... Hi Godfrey, I see we agree on many things. I comment only where we take distance

Re: The Reality of Observer Moments

2005-08-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-août-05, à 06:02, Lee Corbin a écrit : Stephen writes I would like for you to consider that we should not take OMs as "objective processes" but the result of "objective processes". Of course, I will bow to whatever word usage is favored by most of the people, or by those who have

Re: Memory-prediction framework

2005-08-15 Thread James N Rose
Ben, You are on the right track, but you missed a fundamental principle and therefore are missing advantageous use of it in mapping the question. The issue comes out as an adjunct one: why is standard logic insufficient -and- incomplete, when applying it to observed

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Colin, Sorry for being late, Le 10-août-05, à 02:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi, (via) Reality vs. Perception of Reality In answer to Bruno’s recent comments on the old post: * Thanks for helping me sort out my ‘Nagels’! I had them mixed up in EndNote. You are welcome. I did that co

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Godfrey, I see we agree on many things. I comment only where we take distance. Le 12-août-05, à 19:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : [GK] Again I fully agree, though I am sure you are aware that "mentality" and "identity" are among the most difficult problems that science has tried to tack

Re: Maudlin's Machine and the UDist

2005-08-15 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 05:21:50PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > This is a personal > > copy and I would ask you not to redistribute it. > > > > > I will try to get some authorization. It will be hard for me not > putting that paper in my webpage. Did you just scanned it. I would > acknow