Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-26 Thread Saibal Mitra
- Original Message - From: ""Hal Finney"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 08:28 AM Subject: Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees > The real problem is not just that it is a philosophical speculation, > it is that it does not lead to any t

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Well, I think I have a better understanding now of the ideas leading me to start this thread - thanks to Bruno, Quentin and the other contributors. Moreover, I am leaning towards fundamentally changing my views on the implementation problem: if computationalism is true, then it doesn't seem to

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-26 Thread Russell Standish
Yes, although you do have a different perception of theology to Rees, and indeed practically all other scientists I know of. I won't comment on theologians of course, I don't really know any all that well. Not to say your perception is wrong, but it will take a Herculean effort to get other to th

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juil.-06, à 07:55, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : > > Bruno Marchal writes (quoting SP): > >>> But certain computations are selected out through being isomorphic >>> with physical structures and processes (or simulations thereof): >> >> >> I would have said that certain computations are se

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juil.-06, à 06:29, Danny Mayes quoted Rees: So I favor peaceful coexistence rather than constructive dialogue between science and theology With comp (or just with deep enough introspection) you can understand that science is just modesty, and that it is not domain dependent. I favor colla

Re: COMP & Self-awareness

2006-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juil.-06, à 05:08, Colin Hales a écrit : > a) Phenomenal awareness (experience inclusive of a self model) > And > b) Psychological awareness (knowledge inclusive of a self model) I think I see what you means, and it could corresponds to the 1-3 distinction as it reappear through the lobi

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-26 Thread "Hal Finney"
Danny Mayes writes: > Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees > Which approximates my ideas on the nature of reality and the possible role > of intelligence. Well, no offense to Martin or you, but that's pretty ordinary stuff which we have been discussing on this list since 1998.