Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 07/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nope. You are confusing the goal of evolutions ('survive, feed, > reproduce') with human goals. Our goals as individuals are not the > goals of evolution. Evolution explains *why* we have the preferences > we do, but this does not mean t

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-06 Thread marc . geddes
On Jun 6, 10:01 pm, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was not arguing that evolution is intelligent (although I suppose it > depends on how you define intelligence), but rather that non-intelligent > agents can have goals. Well, actually I'd say that evolution does have a *l

Re: Asifism

2007-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 03-juin-07, à 03:43, Pete Carlton a écrit : > If you really think consciousness > is epiphenomenal, you must endorse something like this: > "I know I'm conscious (for whatever reason). And, for some totally > unrelated reasons having nothing whatever to do with the fact that > I'm conscious,

Re: Asifism

2007-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 04-juin-07, à 14:10, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : > Bruno Marchal skrev: > Le 01-juin-07, à 18:47, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : > > When I am tortured, my pain center in my brain will be stimulated. > This > will cause me to try to avoid this situation (being tortured). One > (good) way to archive

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 06/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Evolution could be described as a perpetuation of the basic > > program, "survive", and this has maintained its coherence as the top > level > > axiom of all biological systems over billions of years. Evolution thus > seems > > to easily,