Le 04-juin-07, à 14:10, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : > Bruno Marchal skrev: > Le 01-juin-07, à 18:47, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : > > When I am tortured, my pain center in my brain will be stimulated. > This > will cause me to try to avoid this situation (being tortured). One > (good) way to archive this is to start talking about "ethics". If I > can > make other human beings to "believe" that it is ethically wrong to > torture objects, that behave as if they were conscious, then the > probability that somebody will torture me decreases. > > But if "me" is not conscious, why should us try to diminish that > probability? > > My brain is constructed in such a way, that if my pain center is > stimulated, then I will not repeat those action that caused the pain > center to be stimulated. (And if my lust center is stimulated, then I > will repeat those actions that caused my lust center to be > stimulated.) My neurons in my brain are interconnected in such a way, > causing this behavoiur.
All right. > This is all ethics is about: Trying to avoid stimulating the pain > center > in our brains. > > Could pain exist without consciousness? > Do you agree that the sensation of pain is different from acting like > if having that sensation of pain? > If not movie actors would complain! > > Pain is the same thing as the pain center in the brain being > stimulated. If you are really unconscious or not conscious, you could say this, indeed, but I hardly believe you are unconscious. In the best case your theory will work for you and other "zombie". It cannot work for those who admit the 1/3 distinction or the mind/body apparent distinction. You are on the fringe of being an eliminativist philosopher. What I do appreciate is that you offer your theory for yourself. Let me ask you explicitly this question, which I admit is admittedly weird to ask to a zombie, but: do you think *we* are conscious? > When movie actors behave as if they were feeling pain, then it is not > pain, because their pain center in their brains are not being > stimulated. Only their outer behaviour is the same, inside their > brains there will be different. OK. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---