Re: Asifism revisited.

2007-07-04 Thread Torgny Tholerus
Jason skrev: Note that you did not say thought was non-existent in B-universe, I think one can construct complex conscious awareness to the collection of a large number of simultaneous thoughts. I had the intention to include thoughts, but I was unsure about how to spell that word (where to

Re: Asifism revisited.

2007-07-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Your example suppose many things which are not granted to be possible: 1- The one who compare them is in neither of them... What is comparing these universes ? a conscious being ? 2- The fact that they are identical implies that both have consciousness. If one really lacked it then they would be

Re: Asifism revisited.

2007-07-04 Thread Torgny Tholerus
David Nyman skrev: On 04/07/07, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SP: We can imagine an external observer looking at two model universes A and B side by side, interviewing their occupants. DN: Yes, and my point precisely is that this is an illegitimate sleight of

Re: Asifism revisited.

2007-07-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
You're doing a giant step for considering current GoL as an universe... but anyway you can, but it's not because you see one glider in your tiny framed GoL that the interaction of billions of cells does not generate a consciousness inside the GoL universe and you as an external observer couldn't

Re: Asifism revisited.

2007-07-04 Thread David Nyman
On 04/07/07, Torgny Tholerus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TT: You can look at the Game-of-Life-Universe, where you can see how the gliders move. If you look at Conway's game of Life in Wikipedia, you can look at how the Glider Gun is working in the top right corner. This is possible although there