Re: Request to form 'Social Contract' with SAI
On 15/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh. Bruno, I continue to analyse my current (human) condition to try to find a way out of this mess (I'm not a happy bloke). Still considering many possibilities. Given the possibility that super- intelligences do already (or will in the future) exist, there's a chance that a non-interference policy is being/will be pursued, but that there's a way to get their attention - it could be a simple matter of indicating that you are aware of the possibility and requesting to 'sign' a 'social contract'. Get in early now! ;) Although if they're so far beyond us that we can't detect them I think we have to assume that their motives and psychology are completely unknown: there is no reason to favour the theory that they would reveal themselves to someone acknowledging their existence rather than that they would ignore him or wipe him out prematurely. The same criticism applies to Robin Hanson's paper on how we should behave if we're in a simulation: http://www.transhumanist.com/volume7/simulation.html -- Stathis Papaioannou --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Request to form 'Social Contract' with SAI
Le 15-oct.-07, à 07:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On Oct 14, 3:39 am, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take care, trust yourself and kill all the SAI on the road, to paraphrase a well known Buddhist idea. Either you are sufficiently clever to understand the SAI arguments, showing you are already an SAI yourself, and your message is without purpose, or you are not, in which case, to keep soundness (by lobianity), you better be skeptical, (and not to abide so quick imo). Unless you want to loose your universality, and be a slave, a tool. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ Heh. Bruno, I continue to analyse my current (human) condition to try to find a way out of this mess (I'm not a happy bloke). Still considering many possibilities. Given the possibility that super- intelligences do already (or will in the future) exist, there's a chance that a non-interference policy is being/will be pursued, but that there's a way to get their attention - it could be a simple matter of indicating that you are aware of the possibility and requesting to 'sign' a 'social contract'. Get in early now! ;) The price of the existence of intelligence, is the existence of stupidity. I am afraid that the price of super-intelligence is super-stupidity, and if you are not super-intelligent yourself, then you cannot be sure of making the difference, and you are taking the risk of alerting the super-idiots of the universe ... So be careful when writing the social contract. What do *you* intend to put in the contract? Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Request to form 'Social Contract' with SAI
Marc: excellent. Even Statis responded - although I cannot understand why he wrote they and not us? My problem is the A pertinent to SAI: s u p e r i n t e l l i g e n c e dores not contain an A. If it is ''a'-rtificial' I question the 'natural one' (following Bruno's fear of the (natural?) 'super stupidity'.) Yet I don't think Marc wants to let himself denature into an artifact. So: what is the A standing for? I have a solution to the ID of superintelligence, I got it in a malicious discussion group of peers when I denigrated the 'exceedingly wealthy' as getting inevitably demoralised, I was asked whom I consider 'exceedingly wealthy'? One chap quipped: whoever is wealthier then himself. So I can find lots of 'superintelligents' in these terms. it is not a contractual belonging-to it is a quality. Unidefinable. But: smarter than me. It is some 'koanic' wisdom of the Budhist to kill all superintelligent on the road. It requires considerable 'intelligence' (whatever that may be) to recognise the more-'so' on the road. In our (definition-wise) lower mentality it is not likely that we can 'kill' the smarter. So the condition involves the un-possibility, even if we are capable to recognise them - what we are not likely to be. On 10/15/07, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 15-oct.-07, à 07:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On Oct 14, 3:39 am, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take care, trust yourself and kill all the SAI on the road, to paraphrase a well known Buddhist idea. Either you are sufficiently clever to understand the SAI arguments, showing you are already an SAI yourself, and your message is without purpose, or you are not, in which case, to keep soundness (by lobianity), you better be skeptical, (and not to abide so quick imo). Unless you want to loose your universality, and be a slave, a tool. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ Heh. Bruno, I continue to analyse my current (human) condition to try to find a way out of this mess (I'm not a happy bloke). Still considering many possibilities. Given the possibility that super- intelligences do already (or will in the future) exist, there's a chance that a non-interference policy is being/will be pursued, but that there's a way to get their attention - it could be a simple matter of indicating that you are aware of the possibility and requesting to 'sign' a 'social contract'. Get in early now! ;) The price of the existence of intelligence, is the existence of stupidity. I am afraid that the price of super-intelligence is super-stupidity, and if you are not super-intelligent yourself, then you cannot be sure of making the difference, and you are taking the risk of alerting the super-idiots of the universe ... So be careful when writing the social contract. What do *you* intend to put in the contract? Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Request to form 'Social Contract' with SAI
The best thing you could do is to freeze your brain. I think that will preserve the connections between the neurons, although the cells will be destroyed. This will make it easier for a future civilization to regenerate you digitally - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Everything List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 07:17 AM Subject: Re: Request to form 'Social Contract' with SAI On Oct 14, 3:39 am, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take care, trust yourself and kill all the SAI on the road, to paraphrase a well known Buddhist idea. Either you are sufficiently clever to understand the SAI arguments, showing you are already an SAI yourself, and your message is without purpose, or you are not, in which case, to keep soundness (by lobianity), you better be skeptical, (and not to abide so quick imo). Unless you want to loose your universality, and be a slave, a tool. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ Heh. Bruno, I continue to analyse my current (human) condition to try to find a way out of this mess (I'm not a happy bloke). Still considering many possibilities. Given the possibility that super- intelligences do already (or will in the future) exist, there's a chance that a non-interference policy is being/will be pursued, but that there's a way to get their attention - it could be a simple matter of indicating that you are aware of the possibility and requesting to 'sign' a 'social contract'. Get in early now! ;) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
