Re: UDA Step 7

2008-03-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Günther, Le 25-mars-08, à 13:35, Günther Greindl a écrit : Dear Bruno, I have used the Easter holidays to read again through your SANE 2004 paper, and I have a question regarding step 7. (I am fine with step 1-6, step 8 seems OK but I will withhold judgment until I understand step 7

Re: RE : Re: Discussion of Logic re Physics

2008-03-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Brian, Your idea of a universal set, in case it works, would indeed meet one of the objection I often raised against Tegmark-like approaches, mainly that the whole of mathematical reality cannot be defined as a mathematical object. Of course this is debatable, and a case can been made

Re: Discussion of Logic re Physics

2008-03-27 Thread nichomachus
I have been following this discussion and I wanted to respond to this point because I fail to see why this is such a damning criticism of the MUH. How is in inconsistent to affirm the existence and reality of mututally exclusive axiom sets? I realize how that sounds so I would like to amplify

Re: UDA Step 7

2008-03-27 Thread Jason
To expand on Günther's question: If we equate computational states with mind states as COMP assumes, and if this universe is computable, would that imply the universe itself can be considered a singular mind? I think this is a consistent viewpoint not contradicted by experience. Of course I

Re: UDA Step 7

2008-03-27 Thread Michael Rosefield
Surely consciousness is both granular (much of what we are conscious of is pre-processed by the brain and body, and not part of our direct experience. This gives a huge amount of leeway for underlying ambiguity) and limiting (two people holding hands or talking do not become one conscious entity).

Re: Malcom/Standish white rabbit solution

2008-03-27 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 04:19:44PM -, Alastair Malcolm wrote: The minimal specification including all OMs in a universe could not be sufficient to specify the OMs completely. There must always be some random component to the complete specification of an OM. Bang goes AI! I can't

Re: UDA Step 7

2008-03-27 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 05:07:30PM -0700, Jason wrote: To expand on Günther's question: If we equate computational states with mind states as COMP assumes, and if this universe is computable, would that imply the universe itself can be considered a singular mind? I think this is a

Re: Observer Moment or Observer Space?

2008-03-27 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 02:16:06PM -0700, Jason wrote: A common theme on the everything list is the idea of an Observer moment, which is a snapshot of an observer's mind in a point of time, or the smallest amount of time a single conscious moment can be experienced in. However I think this

Neuroquantology

2008-03-27 Thread Russell Standish
I just had a cold call from an editor of a fairly new journal called NeuroQuantology (http://www.neuroquantology.com/), which has its focus area on the intersection of cognitive science and quantum physics. The nature of this topic, of cause, gives rise to no end of kookiness, but this doesn't

Re: UDA Step 7

2008-03-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Michael Rosefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely consciousness is both granular (much of what we are conscious of is pre-processed by the brain and body, and not part of our direct experience. This gives a huge amount of leeway for underlying ambiguity) and

Re: UDA Step 7

2008-03-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The situation is surely more subtle. To recognise a physical process as a computation requires an observer to interpret it as such. One of the key features of conscious is the ability to recognise a certain