Re: Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread Rex Allen
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 08 Aug 2009, at 22:44, rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: > >> So physicalism in fact offers no advantage over just asserting that >> our conscious experience just exists. Why are my perceptions orderly >> and why are my predictions about wh

Re: Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread Rex Allen
Brent, BTW, this was intended as a (mostly) sincere response to your point. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Rex Allen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> If you suffer epileptic seizures seeing a neurosurgeon may offer >> considerable advantage. > > If that's wha

Re: Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread Rex Allen
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > If you suffer epileptic seizures seeing a neurosurgeon may offer considerable > advantage. If that's what the future held for me, then that's exactly what I would do. Otherwise, I wouldn't do that, since it wouldn't be in my future. Your

Re: Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread Brent Meeker
rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: > Against Physics > > Let me go through my full chain of reasoning here, before I draw my > conclusion: ... > So physicalism in fact offers no advantage over just asserting that > our conscious experience just exists. If you suffer epileptic seizures seeing a neuro

Re: Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Aug 2009, at 22:44, rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: > So physicalism in fact offers no advantage over just asserting that > our conscious experience just exists. Why are my perceptions orderly > and why are my predictions about what will happen next usually > correct? Because that's just th

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Aug 2009, at 20:01, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Actually physicians have literally created new interesting branch in > math I mean physicists of course. So sorry. Well, actually I know a physician, Philippe Smets, the creator of IRIDIA, where I am working, who was a physician, not a physic

Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread rexallen...@gmail.com
Against Physics Let me go through my full chain of reasoning here, before I draw my conclusion: So the world that I perceive seems pretty orderly. When I drive to work, it's always where I expect it to be. The people are always the same. I pick up where I left off on the previous day, and lif

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Aug 2009, at 05:20, ronaldheld wrote: > > As a formally trained Physicist, what do I accept? It depends of many things. Most physicists and non physicists take more or less for granted an Aristotelian picture of reality. Now, if you are willing to believe that you can survive classical

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2009, at 21:27, Johnathan Corgan wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:35 -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> But as Bertrand Russell, David Hume and many mystics have pointed >> out you can wake up and >> realize there is consciousness but the "I" that possesses it is a >> fiction. > >

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2009, at 20:35, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Very important post, Peter. We are progressing. >> >> >> On 06 Aug 2009, at 19:09, 1Z wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 31 July, 18:55, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jul 2009, at 18:05, 1Z wrote: > If it isn;t