Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 03:44:46PM -0700, Nick Prince wrote: [NP] Maybe you are thinking of Tegmark level 1 or level 2 type multiverses here, in which case I agree.  What I was doing in my analysis was thinking about QM type 3 multiverses only. Let's pretend that these are the only

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread benjayk
Nick Prince-2 wrote: This is similar to my speculations in an earlier topic post http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/browse_thread/thread/4514b50b8eb469c3/c49c3aa24c265a4b?lnk=gstq=homomorphic#c49c3aa24c265a4b where I suggest that very old or dying brains might deterorate in

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2011/10/30 benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com Nick Prince-2 wrote: This is similar to my speculations in an earlier topic post http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/browse_thread/thread/4514b50b8eb469c3/c49c3aa24c265a4b?lnk=gstq=homomorphic#c49c3aa24c265a4b where I

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread Nick Prince
[RS] The question is - when did the cat become aware of which way the electron was spinning as it left the Stern-Gerlach apparatus? I would say it was when it discovered the vial didn't smash, and it was still alive. The other question, from the DD perspective, is when did the sphere of

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Oct 2011, at 20:07, Nick Prince wrote: On Oct 29, 6:44 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 30, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Nick Prince nickmag.pri...@googlemail.com wrote: Maybe you are thinking of Tegmark level 1 or level 2 type multiverses here, in which case I

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 05:10:34AM -0700, Nick Prince wrote: Well suppose the device triggers the flask smashing part of the detector apparatus depending on whether the electron is moving up and spinning up or vice versa as in my analysis. Also say it does this on recieiving a click from one

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread benjayk
Quentin Anciaux-2 wrote: 2011/10/30 benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com Nick Prince-2 wrote: This is similar to my speculations in an earlier topic post

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2011/10/30 benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com Quentin Anciaux-2 wrote: 2011/10/30 benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com Nick Prince-2 wrote: This is similar to my speculations in an earlier topic post

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Oct 31, 2011, at 8:15 AM, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: OK, I can see that this a possible perspective on that. Indeed most of the time immortality is used to refer to personal immortality (especially in the west). I agree with materialists there is no good reason to

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread Nick Prince
On Oct 30, 8:56 pm, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: My point about the unitary evolution was that the clicking of the Geiger counter is not a unitary process - and until you hear it, you remain in superposition. - Show quoted text - I thought that in the everett

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread meekerdb
On 10/30/2011 5:09 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: A common response to the idea of QTI is, Why should I care if I die and someone else in another world who thinks he is me survives? But this objection shows a lack of understanding of consciousness works if there are multiple instantiations.

Re: QTI, Cul de sacs and differentiation

2011-10-30 Thread meekerdb
On 10/30/2011 5:13 PM, Nick Prince wrote: On Oct 30, 8:56 pm, Russell Standishli...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: My point about the unitary evolution was that the clicking of the Geiger counter is not a unitary process - and until you hear it, you remain in superposition. - Show quoted text - I