Re: Prime numbers

[meekerdb]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23595-weinsteins-theory-of-everything-is-probably-nothing.html

Brent


On 5/25/2013 3:54 PM, John Mikes wrote:

Bruno and others:
did you read

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/do_the_math/2013/05/yitang_zhang_twin_primes_conjecture_a_huge_discovery_about_prime_numbers.single.html

the information about prof. Zhang's discovery (U of New Hampshire)?
It is still in the conjecture of mathematical proof and 'truth' with a position of 
"primes are greater

than 1" -  with the interesting conclusion that 'primes' are the ATOMS of the 
number world.
Any thoughts?
JM
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Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its ...

[meekerdb]

On 5/25/2013 11:03 AM, Jason Resch wrote:




On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:35 AM, mailto:spudboy...@aol.com>> wrote:


Interesting Jason,
My issue with the multi-generated clones created either by the actions of a
multiverse or the actions of hypercomputers, my concern is that, its such a 
waste
(in my opinion) that a Jason who belongs to an identical Earth, but humans 
all have
elephant tricks instead of noses. Or a Jason Resch, belonging to a species 
that has
rectangular crystal panels built in their stomachs and backs (see thru). I 
am
shooting for ridiculous incarnations of J. Resch, in order to illustrate the
unlikeliness, of this method of producing the actual person-thoughts 
feelings
memories. The memory thing as a blue print, to me, seems, essential, for
resurrection. I could be totally wrong, but I am merely trying to simplify 
this for
myself, if nobody else.  Thanks, Jason.


Mitch,

Consider a few points:  First, roughly 100 billion humans have ever lived in this 
history of humans, the life expectancy of humans over most of that time was 10 years, so 
roughly there have been 1 trillion years worth of human experience.  Second, if 
transhumanism is correct and we transcend our biological limits we could not only live 
much longer but generate experiences at greatly accelerated rates.  It would take the 
then current population of people (say it is 10 billion) only 100 years to generate the 
same total amount of experience of all humans going back millions of years.  Even if 
only 10% of the population, spends only 1% of their time simulating/experiencing 
alternate lives or histories, it would take a mere 100,000 years for most of "human" 
experiences to be generated artificially by our descendents.  This ignores the 
acceleration that is possible.  Electricity flows through wires about a million times 
faster than neurotransmitters conduct signals in the brain.  This implies that without 
any miniaturization, human thought could be accelerated by about a factor of a million 
times, so it could take only a month (rather than 100,000 years) for these accelerated 
humans spending only 0.1% of their collective time simulating ancestors for the bulk of 
human experience to be artificially generated. Now consider that such a civilization 
could live for billions of years.  If each post-human experiences a few thousand or a 
few million ancestor lives, or alternate species, etc., then odds quickly become 
overwhelming that your current moment of awareness is not explained by that of some 
biological being on a physical planet but that of some advanced being conducting a 
simulation on some advanced computational substrate.


Jason

-Mitch

-Original Message-
From: Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>>
To: Everything List mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Thu, May 23, 2013 11:10 am
Subject: Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function 
suggests
its ...




On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:57 PM, mailto:spudboy...@aol.com>> wrote:

So, Jason,by this reasoning, a sufficiently advanced technology, then, 
in
indistinguisable from Resurrection.


If used for such purposes.  Even if technology is not used for the explicit 
purpose
of resurrection, say it is only used for exploration purposes, where 
simulation is
applied to explore other possibilities of existence and being, a side 
effect will be
to provide new paths for the consciousness of the simulated beings to 
follow.  It is
a bit like the guy who dreamed he was a butterfly.  If it was an completely 
accurate
dream (as simulation technology could allow), then the butterfly is given 
the
ability to "ressurect" to become a human. Similarly, advanced "omega point"
civilizations or Jupiter brains may choose to explore potentiality for 
consciousness
and thus try to experience the lives of other beings.  Such an intelligence,
existing in any physical universe that provides infinite energy/infinite 
computing
power has the ability to experience the life of every other being anywhere 
in any
universe (assuming computationalism).  If one of these exists anywhere, the 
it
provides us the potential to wake up as it, just as the butterfly has the 
potential
to wake up as a human.  Such a being may even feel compelled to provide a 
pleasant
afterlife given all the suffering that exists in the physical worlds, 
although this
point is more contentious.

I mention this because I have discussed tech resurrection, as, at 
least, an
intellectual phenomenon, over at the Kurzweil forum. There is an 
enthusiast for
technologically based resurrection, on the forum,  has produced a 
moderately,
large, website, that presents this concept. Most people will say this in
impossible, and who am I to dispute them? But I still find the topic

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its ...

[Jason Resch]

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:35 AM,  wrote:

>
> Interesting Jason,
>
> My issue with the multi-generated clones created either by the actions of
> a multiverse or the actions of hypercomputers, my concern is that, its such
> a waste (in my opinion) that a Jason who belongs to an identical Earth, but
> humans all have elephant tricks instead of noses. Or a Jason Resch,
> belonging to a species that has rectangular crystal panels built in their
> stomachs and backs (see thru). I am shooting for ridiculous incarnations of
> J. Resch, in order to illustrate the unlikeliness, of this method of
> producing the actual person-thoughts feelings memories. The memory thing as
> a blue print, to me, seems, essential, for resurrection. I could be totally
> wrong, but I am merely trying to simplify this for myself, if nobody else.
> Thanks, Jason.
>

Mitch,

Consider a few points:  First, roughly 100 billion humans have ever lived
in this history of humans, the life expectancy of humans over most of that
time was 10 years, so roughly there have been 1 trillion years worth of
human experience.  Second, if transhumanism is correct and we transcend our
biological limits we could not only live much longer but generate
experiences at greatly accelerated rates.  It would take the then current
population of people (say it is 10 billion) only 100 years to generate the
same total amount of experience of all humans going back millions of
years.  Even if only 10% of the population, spends only 1% of their time
simulating/experiencing alternate lives or histories, it would take a mere
100,000 years for most of "human" experiences to be generated artificially
by our descendents.  This ignores the acceleration that is possible.
Electricity flows through wires about a million times faster than
neurotransmitters conduct signals in the brain.  This implies that without
any miniaturization, human thought could be accelerated by about a factor
of a million times, so it could take only a month (rather than 100,000
years) for these accelerated humans spending only 0.1% of their collective
time simulating ancestors for the bulk of human experience to be
artificially generated.  Now consider that such a civilization could live
for billions of years.  If each post-human experiences a few thousand or a
few million ancestor lives, or alternate species, etc., then odds quickly
become overwhelming that your current moment of awareness is not explained
by that of some biological being on a physical planet but that of some
advanced being conducting a simulation on some advanced computational
substrate.

Jason


>
> -Mitch
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Jason Resch 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Thu, May 23, 2013 11:10 am
> Subject: Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function
> suggests its ...
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:57 PM,  wrote:
>
>> **
>> So, Jason,by this reasoning, a sufficiently advanced technology, then, in
>> indistinguisable from Resurrection.
>>
>
>  If used for such purposes.  Even if technology is not used for the
> explicit purpose of resurrection, say it is only used for exploration
> purposes, where simulation is applied to explore other possibilities of
> existence and being, a side effect will be to provide new paths for the
> consciousness of the simulated beings to follow.  It is a bit like the guy
> who dreamed he was a butterfly.  If it was an completely accurate dream (as
> simulation technology could allow), then the butterfly is given the ability
> to "ressurect" to become a human.  Similarly, advanced "omega point"
> civilizations or Jupiter brains may choose to explore potentiality for
> consciousness and thus try to experience the lives of other beings.  Such
> an intelligence, existing in any physical universe that provides infinite
> energy/infinite computing power has the ability to experience the life of
> every other being anywhere in any universe (assuming computationalism).  If
> one of these exists anywhere, the it provides us the potential to wake up
> as it, just as the butterfly has the potential to wake up as a human.  Such
> a being may even feel compelled to provide a pleasant afterlife given all
> the suffering that exists in the physical worlds, although this point is
> more contentious.
>
>
>>  I mention this because I have discussed tech resurrection, as, at
>> least, an intellectual phenomenon, over at the Kurzweil forum. There is an
>> enthusiast for technologically based resurrection, on the forum,  has
>> produced a moderately, large, website, that presents this concept. Most
>> people will say this in impossible, and who am I to dispute them? But I
>> still find the topic interesting, none the less.
>>
>
>  That is interesting to me.  What is the website?
>
>
>>
>> My suspicion is that there is some feature of the universe that acts as a
>> substrate for all actions and characteristics and records it all. I am
>> trying to peg it down to the Planck length as 

Re: A speculation on life after death and ghosts in Leibniz's metaphysics.

[John Clark]

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 6:38 PM,  wrote:

**
> > Frank Tipler, before he became a convinced Christian,
>

You means before he went completely nuts. Today Tipler says we should look
for divine DNA on the Shroud of Turin and check for radiation around the
tomb of the Blessed Virgin Marry that was caused by an intense beam of
neutrinos that must have shot out of the bottom of her feet as she ascended
into heaven.

> has proposed exactly this "resurrection" as a a computer process, in the
> far future, and basically faced this ostracism, and still does,
>

I read his book "The Physics of Immortality" back in 1992 and at the time I
thought it was pretty good, but it has not stood the test of time. Tipler
made a number of predictions he said that if even one of his predictions
turned out to be wrong his entire theory was dead in the water so his
entire theory is dead in the water:

*Tippler predicted the universe was closed but we now know that not only is
it open but its accelerating.

*Tipler predicted that the Higgs boson must be at 220GEV +- 20  but we now
know its 125.3GEV +- .5  .

*Tipler predicted that the Hubble constant must be less than or equal to 45
but we now know its  67.8 +- .77 .

  John K Clark

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