Leibniz: When God calculates, the world is made

2015-08-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Leibniz' note on his Dialogs: When God calculates and thinks things through, the world is made. Cum Deus calculat et cogitationem exercet, mundus fit. I have found it in M. Heller, Ultimate Explanations of the Universe. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Go

RE: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-06 Thread chris peck
@ Pierz >> If he refuses to > acknowledge MWI as a valid account due to his pronoun concerns, then > fine, maybe he should publish a refutation of Everett to that > effect. but isn't John's point that pro-nouns do not cause much trouble when duplicates end up in separate universes? Thats

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-06 Thread Pierz
On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 8:06:31 PM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 06 Aug 2015, at 02:39, Pierz wrote: > > > Mein Gott, this argument reminds me of the fire in Siberia that > > started burning in the Holocene and is still going. Why do you keep > > taking the troll bait Bruno?

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-06 Thread Pierz
On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 11:39:47 AM UTC+10, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Pierz > > wrote: > > >> ​> ​ >> if the quantum state evolves deterministically > > > ​The wave function most certainly evolves deterministically but that's > not important because the wav

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-06 Thread smitra
You can just define personal identity as a single observer moment, which includes any memories of the outcomes of the duplication experiments, so the string of the "W"'s and "M"'should be included in the definition of "you". You can also invent a machine that creates a consciousness that has

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-06 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > ​>>> ​ >>> the nuance is not in the name or in the pronouns, but in the 1p/3p >>> difference, or in the 1-1p/3-1p difference. >> >> ​>> ​ >> ​In a world with people duplicating machines ​what exactly is the >> difference between >> *THE*​ >>

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2015, at 02:39, Pierz wrote: Mein Gott, this argument reminds me of the fire in Siberia that started burning in the Holocene and is still going. Why do you keep taking the troll bait Bruno? Because it is not under my back, and I want to make clear that the person who have a pro

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2015, at 02:37, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​But there is no genuine reason to prefer one over the other. ​> ​Thta's the point, and that is why they both get one bit of information, ​No new information has been received. Long before the d

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2015, at 00:57, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​​Since ​Bruno is clear about all this Bruno should have no difficulty in complying to the request of substituting "John Clark" for the personal pronoun "you". ​> ​We did this already, b