On 06 Aug 2015, at 02:37, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> But there is no genuine reason to prefer one over the other.
> Thta's the point, and that is why they both get one bit of
information,
No new information has been received. Long before the duplication
button was pressed John Clark already knew that one John Clark would
receive a W bit and one John Clark would get a M bit. No new
information was generated.
You go ou of your body to get the 3-1 view, but forget that from the
copies perspective, it does look like they are in only one place, and
looking at which one, they do get 1 bit of information.
So, what you say is that in the 3-view, there is no new information.
Indeed the 3-view is the protocol itself.
But the question was about the expected 1p experience, and both
confirm that they got one bit of information. The result of "pushing
on the button and deciding which cities is behind" is always either W
or M, and never both.
> You [Chris Peck] seem to just persist
ignoring the question like John Clark.
Ignore isn't the right word, there is no question to ignore; there
is just a sequence of personal pronouns, none of which has a
referent but all are liberally spiced with peepee and with a
question mark at the very end. A question needs more than a
question mark.
The question is what do you expect to live, and every one grasp,
without any trouble, that it can only be W, or M, and never both. "W &
M" is never written in any copies' diary, except when they describe
the 3-1 view that they *imagine* correct instead of the 1p-experience
that they directly live (which was what the question is all about).
Sorry John, but your hand-waving does not succeed in hiding that you
avoid the question asked. We have agreed on all definitions, but you
keep talking like if someone can distinguish, directly from its
subjective experience, the difference between a simple teleportation
and a duplication. So you need some magic to get your point
meaningful. But mechanism does not allow it. Without magic, both
copies see only one city, and cannot decide if there is or not a
doppelganger in the other city.
Bruno
John K Clark
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