Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:50:17 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/28/2019 11:09 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > Ok, so how does it appear ? > > > Like this (you're getting kind of dense). > You don't really understand the question, do you ? > > If you show that picture to a r

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

I had the impression that we are discussing about the nature of reality here, not about how to pay bills. On Sunday, 28 April 2019 22:22:11 UTC+3, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > Brain is what neurosurgeons get paid to work on and what neuroscientists > study. It may all be maya, an illusion, but it

Re: for Cosmin

You cannot invalidate the fact that consciousness is all there is, because for any fact X that you assume that you discover, that X is a thought in consciousness. Evolution is the evolution of consciousness - I don't see where I borrow anything from materialist ideas. Evolution is deducible dir

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On 4/28/2019 11:09 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Ok, so how does it appear ? Like this (you're getting kind of dense). If you show that picture to a rock, does the rock see red ? I tried it and the rock had no response, so I conclude it doesn't see read or hear questio

Re: for Cosmin

Your responses to my and other's questions don't really answer anything, except in a circular way, borrowing from the physical world when convenient (e.g. evolution, brain scans) and denying the physical world for similarly motivated reasons (e.g. the brain does not exist). Unless you can answer t

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On 4/28/2019 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Indexical Digital Mechanism, or simply Mechanism, is the idea that we can survive with an artificial brain. It is the idea that my consciousness, or my first-person experience, is invariant for some functional digital substitution of my brain/body a

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Brain is what neurosurgeons get paid to work on and what neuroscientists study. It may all be maya, an illusion, but it pays the illusionary bills. Which, are stubbornly, persistent, till they get paid. -Original Message- From: 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List To: Everything List Se

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

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Re: for Cosmin

Yes. On Sunday, 28 April 2019 20:48:31 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > But then how is red/green colorblindness, which you claimed to know about, > detected? Do you test whether people can distinguish between W and Z??? > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Ok, so how does it appear ? If you show that picture to a rock, does the rock see red ? On Sunday, 28 April 2019 20:52:41 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > On 4/28/2019 12:00 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > Really ?? See ? That's what a superficial way of thinking does: it makes > you th

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On 4/28/2019 12:00 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Really ?? See ? That's what a superficial way of thinking does: it makes you think that everything is simple in life and you figure it out everything. Let me give you a hint: And how does that red appears ? Like this: Never he

Re: for Cosmin

But then how is red/green colorblindness, which you claimed to know about, detected? Do you test whether people can distinguish between W and Z? Brent On 4/27/2019 11:58 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: No. All you can do is to test whether people can distinguish between X and Y.

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 7:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> So you have free will if you feel free, and you feel free if you have >> free will. And round and round we go! The only definition I know of "free >> will" that is not circular gibberish is the inability t

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

"Brain" doesn't exist. "Brain" is just an idea in consciousness. Therefore, your entire theory is false. "Brain" is just a picture that you see in your consciousness, no different than the picture "unicorn". Believing in "brain" only because you see it, is like believing in "unicorn" only becaus

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

> On 22 Apr 2019, at 15:38, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:33 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > The question is about the first person experience, > > I don't want to know what the question is about, I want to know precisely > what the question is.

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

> > I've asked you this several times before but received no answer, I > ask again, HOW DO YOU KNOW HUMANS ARE CONSCIOUS AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT > COMPUTER'S ARE NOT? > Because consciousnesses have the property of intelligence, while computers don't exist. Is just an idea invented by c

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Saturday, 27 April 2019 20:22:36 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 4:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > *>>> I am a consciousness with free will. * >>> >>> >>Tell me what in hell "free will" is supposed to mean and I'll tell >>> you

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Really ?? See ? That's what a superficial way of thinking does: it makes you think that everything is simple in life and you figure it out everything. Let me give you a hint: And how does that red appears ? On Saturday, 27 April 2019 23:12:08 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > When I shine some 700nm ele