Re: Be very afraid!
For what it's worth (and it may not be much), many voices have always used the
Roman republic as an example of becoming an empire, and democracy (public
participation in governmental choices) as being weaker than a republic (Greek
not Roman). Yes, the Italian states of the Renaissance were also republics and
never democracies. The main precept is that the peasants are too busily engaged
is producing food to worry their heads about serious matters, so thus, nobles,
who were often lawyers, are better fitted to decide complicated questions. My
sense of things is that 200 years past the Industrial Revolution, especially
with computing, this is no longer the case, so the argument for lawyers, ruling
on peasant behalf, is no longer valid.
In the US, it seems historically, that the path of the Republic leads most
often to politicians (lawyers) rely upon the donations of businesses to their
campaign, and thus corruption that leads to the damaging of the public or
national interest, because the politicians are connected with corporation$,
both during their holding of office, and afterwards as lobbyists, advisor$, and
given seats on the boards of directors. Not a bad retirement from "public
life," for these public servants. Historically again, if memory serves, the
Greek democracy in Athens, was ended not by civil war and collapse, but by
being beaten and taken in to the Roman Empire. 476 years later, Rome itself,
was beaten down by the Germanic tribes in a similar fashion-who were angry
because they had been promised things that a dozen emperors never delivered
upon. Byzantium, by the way, was most like an Eastern absolute monarchy from
its inception. https://www.ancient.eu/Byzantine_Government/
I am, sort if ready to consider a true democracy, where the people decide,
rather than the rich people deciding wars, taxes, programs. Easier said then
done of course.
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Subject: Re: Be very afraid!
On 15 Nov 2020, at 23:36, Pierz wrote:
"the only progress in the human science since Plato…" well that's pretty
hilarious Bruno, since Plato lived in the first democracy, and hated it as a
political system. Not to mention that you just cavalierly dismissed all of
psychology, anthropology, moral and political philosophy etc etc.
I use the word “democracy” in the contemporary sense, which is not the same
sense as in Plato. I am taking about universal suffrage, and separation of
power. And, yes, psychology, sociology, political philosophy have regressed
since … Aristotle, and its use by the dogmatic materialist (christians, mainly,
but Islam has made a similar move mater).
There is no human science, and fundamental science is basically equivocated to
physics, nowadays. But we know that this cannot work when we assume even a very
minimal account of Descartes’s Mechanism, like the one used in Darwin (and
confirmed by molecular biology).
It is a chance that there is no human science, as this explains the Shoah,
Rwanda, prohibition, relativism and Islamism, and even … Trump, I think. In my
university, philosophy is classified as literature. Most people today are not
even aware that the original doubt of the theologian was about the existence of
a physical *universe* (primary universe). The term “mathematician” has been
used to mean “skeptical on the idea that there is an ontological physical
universe”. Mathematics as a science is born from the doubt about materialism,
which is taken for granted by many people today.
Bruno
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 10:09:24 PM UTC+11 Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Oct 2020, at 20:59, John Clark wrote:
The Holy Roller who wants to be on the US Supreme Court, Amy Coney Barrett,
today refused to say that Trump could not unilaterally delay the Nov. 3
election. Instead she waffled and said:
"I would need to hear arguments from the litigants and read the briefs and
consult with my law clerks and talk to my colleagues"
She graduated at the top of her class in law school and yet she can't answer
such an elementary question without help?!!
The Supreme Court has re-assured me a little bit by their last comments on the
Healthcare ("it is not our job to decide this").
There is no evidence at all for a major fraud in the election. It is obvious
that if that exists we would know the evidences by now. Unfortunately, some
“Republicans” have already show that they don’t care much about evidences …
Justice requires Truth...
We will see. We enter the Season 2 of the “Trump reality Show series”…
Of course, the nomination of Barrett 8 days before the election is a joke, and
show how hypocritical are people like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell (who
refuse a nomination under Obama 8 month before the election).
Again, congratulation to America for those courageous election, which gives
much hope for Democracy (the only progress in
Re: Be very afraid!
> On 15 Nov 2020, at 23:36, Pierz wrote:
>
> "the only progress in the human science since Plato…" well that's pretty
> hilarious Bruno, since Plato lived in the first democracy, and hated it as a
> political system. Not to mention that you just cavalierly dismissed all of
> psychology, anthropology, moral and political philosophy etc etc.
I use the word “democracy” in the contemporary sense, which is not the same
sense as in Plato. I am taking about universal suffrage, and separation of
power. And, yes, psychology, sociology, political philosophy have regressed
since … Aristotle, and its use by the dogmatic materialist (christians, mainly,
but Islam has made a similar move mater).
There is no human science, and fundamental science is basically equivocated to
physics, nowadays. But we know that this cannot work when we assume even a very
minimal account of Descartes’s Mechanism, like the one used in Darwin (and
confirmed by molecular biology).
It is a chance that there is no human science, as this explains the Shoah,
Rwanda, prohibition, relativism and Islamism, and even … Trump, I think. In my
university, philosophy is classified as literature. Most people today are not
even aware that the original doubt of the theologian was about the existence of
a physical *universe* (primary universe). The term “mathematician” has been
used to mean “skeptical on the idea that there is an ontological physical
universe”. Mathematics as a science is born from the doubt about materialism,
which is taken for granted by many people today.
Bruno
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 10:09:24 PM UTC+11 Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> On 13 Oct 2020, at 20:59, John Clark > > wrote:
>>
>> The Holy Roller who wants to be on the US Supreme Court, Amy Coney Barrett,
>> today refused to say that Trump could not unilaterally delay the Nov. 3
>> election. Instead she waffled and said:
>>
>> "I would need to hear arguments from the litigants and read the briefs and
>> consult with my law clerks and talk to my colleagues"
>>
>> She graduated at the top of her class in law school and yet she can't answer
>> such an elementary question without help?!!
>
>
> The Supreme Court has re-assured me a little bit by their last comments on
> the Healthcare ("it is not our job to decide this").
>
> There is no evidence at all for a major fraud in the election. It is obvious
> that if that exists we would know the evidences by now. Unfortunately, some
> “Republicans” have already show that they don’t care much about evidences …
> Justice requires Truth...
>
> We will see. We enter the Season 2 of the “Trump reality Show series”…
>
> Of course, the nomination of Barrett 8 days before the election is a joke,
> and show how hypocritical are people like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell
> (who refuse a nomination under Obama 8 month before the election).
>
> Again, congratulation to America for those courageous election, which gives
> much hope for Democracy (the only progress in the human science since Plato…).
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> John K Clark
>>
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