Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 21:09, Jason Resch wrote: >>> As I see this thread, Terren and

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 21:09, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >>> other. Please either of you correct me

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023, 4:14 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio >>> wrote: >>> >>> And yes, I'm arguing that a

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023, 3:50 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

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Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 4:30 PM Terren Suydam wrote: >> If I could instantly stop all physical processes that are going on >> inside your head for one year and then start them up again, to an >> outside objective observer you would appear to lose consciousness for one >> year, but to you your

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 Terren Suydam wrote: *> reality is fundamentally consciousness. * Then why does a simple physical molecule like *N**2**O *stop consciousness temporarily and another simple physical molecule like *CN- *do so permanently? > *> Why does some "knowledge" correspond with a

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 4:17 PM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 3:50 PM Terren Suydam > wrote: > > >> * > in my view, consciousness entails a continuous flow of experience.* >> > > If I could instantly stop all physical processes that are going on inside > your head for one year and

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 3:50 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > * > in my view, consciousness entails a continuous flow of experience.* > If I could instantly stop all physical processes that are going on inside your head for one year and then start them up again, to an outside objective observer you

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio >> wrote: >> >> >>> And yes, I'm arguing that a true simulation (let's say for the sake of a >>> thought experiment we were

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:05 PM Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:34 AM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >>> other. Please either of you correct me if

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >>> other. Please either of you correct me if i

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio > wrote: > > >> And yes, I'm arguing that a true simulation (let's say for the sake of a >> thought experiment we were able to replicate every neural connection of a >> human being in

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:12 PM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2023 Terren Suydam wrote: > > *> What was the biochemical or neural change that suddenly birthed the >> feeling of pain? * > > > It would not be difficult to make a circuit such that that whenever a > specific binary sequence

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio wrote: > Let me start out by saying I don't believe in zombies. We are > biophysical systems with a long history of building on and repurposing > earlier systems of genes and associated proteins. I saw you don't believe > it is symbols all the

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 Terren Suydam wrote: *> What was the biochemical or neural change that suddenly birthed the > feeling of pain? * It would not be difficult to make a circuit such that that whenever a specific binary sequence of zeros and ones is in a register the circuit stops doing

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:34 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >> other. Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to >> clarify and perhaps resolve this

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 21:09, Jason Resch wrote: > >> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >> other. Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to >> clarify and perhaps resolve

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >> other. Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to >> clarify and perhaps resolve this

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Re: what chatGPT is and is not

Let me start out by saying I don't believe in zombies. We are biophysical systems with a long history of building on and repurposing earlier systems of genes and associated proteins. I saw you don't believe it is symbols all the way down. I agree with you, but I am arguing the beginning of

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:15 AM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 5:56 PM Terren Suydam > wrote: > > *> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of >> chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your >> definition of Turing Test, it

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each other. > Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to clarify > and perhaps resolve this situation: > > I believe Stathis is saying the functional

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 5:56 PM Terren Suydam wrote: *> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of > chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your > definition of Turing Test, it passes with flying colors in many, many > contexts. It would take

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:25 AM Dylan Distasio wrote: > While we may not know everything about explaining it, pain doesn't seem to > be that much of a mystery to me, and I don't consider it a symbol per se. > It seems obvious to me anyways that pain arose out of a very early neural > circuit as

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 21:09, Jason Resch wrote: > As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each other. > Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to clarify > and perhaps resolve this situation: > > I believe Stathis is saying the functional

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each other. Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to clarify and perhaps resolve this situation: I believe Stathis is saying the functional substitution having the same fine-grained causal organization

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 15:58, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:32 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 14:23, Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:14 AM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, 23

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

While we may not know everything about explaining it, pain doesn't seem to be that much of a mystery to me, and I don't consider it a symbol per se. It seems obvious to me anyways that pain arose out of a very early neural circuit as a survival mechanism. Pain is the feeling you experience when