Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011
On 24 Jan 2013, at 21:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2013 12:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Bruno, What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like the one Ron Garrett presented? It's the view most advocated by Asher and Fuchs, that the WF is just an encoding of what the experimenter knows about the physical system based on its preparation. Yes. It is close to Pauli and Heisenberg's idea that the quantum state does not describe a real physical state, but only a relative knowledge state. The computationalist shift worlds == dreams should please to both them, and to the MWI defenders, but of course, it can also makes them both nervous. Many points of view overlap much more than what their defenders believe. The problem is that they don't try to define terms like information, observers, physical, etc. I would say that more than 50% of the apparent disagreement are really due to vocabulary problem. It is unavoidable in inter and trans-disciplinary studies. Bruno Brent The informational and MW together got 42% of the vote, equal to Copenhagen. Jason On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 24 Jan 2013, at 04:03, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1069v1.pdf See question 12. Interesting. Thanks. A bit sad, also. If it takes time to understand the MWI of the SWE (which writes it almost explicitly), I guess it will take time to understand the universal machine's many worlds interpretation of arithmetic. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6054 - Release Date: 01/24/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011
On Friday, January 25, 2013 6:44:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jan 2013, at 21:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2013 12:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Bruno, What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like the one Ron Garrett presented? It's the view most advocated by Asher and Fuchs, that the WF is just an encoding of what the experimenter knows about the physical system based on its preparation. Yes. It is close to Pauli and Heisenberg's idea that the quantum state does not describe a real physical state, but only a relative knowledge state. The computationalist shift worlds == dreams should please to both them, and to the MWI defenders, but of course, it can also makes them both nervous. Many points of view overlap much more than what their defenders believe. The problem is that they don't try to define terms like information, observers, physical, etc. I would say that more than 50% of the apparent disagreement are really due to vocabulary problem. It is unavoidable in inter and trans-disciplinary studies. Bruno The more people try to define information the more that they will find that there is nothing there but the presence of sensory-motor experience in one set of qualitative modalities, re-presented through another set of the same. Craig Brent The informational and MW together got 42% of the vote, equal to Copenhagen. Jason On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: On 24 Jan 2013, at 04:03, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1069v1.pdf See question 12. Interesting. Thanks. A bit sad, also. If it takes time to understand the MWI of the SWE (which writes it almost explicitly), I guess it will take time to understand the universal machine's many worlds interpretation of arithmetic. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6054 - Release Date: 01/24/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011
On 24 Jan 2013, at 04:03, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1069v1.pdf See question 12. Interesting. Thanks. A bit sad, also. If it takes time to understand the MWI of the SWE (which writes it almost explicitly), I guess it will take time to understand the universal machine's many worlds interpretation of arithmetic. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011
Bruno, What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like the one Ron Garrett presented? The informational and MW together got 42% of the vote, equal to Copenhagen. Jason On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 24 Jan 2013, at 04:03, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1069v1.pdf See question 12. Interesting. Thanks. A bit sad, also. If it takes time to understand the MWI of the SWE (which writes it almost explicitly), I guess it will take time to understand the universal machine's many worlds interpretation of arithmetic. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: [foar] 18% of (certain) scientists (still) support MWI as of 2011
On 1/24/2013 12:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Bruno, What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like the one Ron Garrett presented? It's the view most advocated by Asher and Fuchs, that the WF is just an encoding of what the experimenter knows about the physical system based on its preparation. Brent The informational and MW together got 42% of the vote, equal to Copenhagen. Jason On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 24 Jan 2013, at 04:03, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1069v1.pdf See question 12. Interesting. Thanks. A bit sad, also. If it takes time to understand the MWI of the SWE (which writes it almost explicitly), I guess it will take time to understand the universal machine's many worlds interpretation of arithmetic. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6054 - Release Date: 01/24/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
