ng
else to have minds."
There are his own words!
Stephen
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Le 15-mai-05, à 15:40, Stephen Paul King a écrit :
Two points: I am pointing out that the "non-interactional" idea of
computation and any form of monism will fail to account for the
"necessity" of 1st person viewpoints.
You know that the "necessity" of 1st person viewpoints is what I
consider
l object that has no
possible representation.
Stephen
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I appreciate that there a
with
appropriate soldering and coding, or would we have to surrender to dualism/
an immaterial soul/ Roger Penrose or what?
--Stathis Papaioannou
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I am sure that I am being a fooling tyro is this post. ;-)
Kindest regards,
Stephen
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Jesse wrote:
> The main objection that comes to my mind is that in order to plan ahead of
> time what number should be in each tape location before the armature
> begins moving and flipping bits, you need to have already done the
> computation in the regular way--so Olympia is not really computing
Jesse comments on Brian's remarkable and exceedingly valuable
explication (thanks, Brian!), even if some old-timers are
having deja-vu all over again, and are wondering if indeed
the universe isn't hopelessly cyclic after all.
> > triggering tape locations. To make it even simpler, the read/write
Hal writes
> We had some discussion of Maudlin's paper on the everything-list in 1999.
> I summarized the paper at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m898.html .
> Subsequent discussion under the thread title "implementation" followed
> ...
> I suggested a flaw in Maudlin's argument at
> http:/
Brian Scurfield wrote:
Bruno recently urged me to read up on Tim Maudlin's movie-graph argument
against the computational hypothesis. I did so. Here is my version of the
argument.
According to the computational hypothesis, consciousness supervenes on
brain
activity and
Hal wrote:
> We had some discussion of Maudlin's paper on the everything-list in 1999.
> I summarized the paper at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m898.html
> .
> Subsequent discussion under the thread title "implementation" followed
> up; I will point to my posting at
> http://www.escribe.c
We had some discussion of Maudlin's paper on the everything-list in 1999.
I summarized the paper at http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m898.html .
Subsequent discussion under the thread title "implementation" followed
up; I will point to my posting at
http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/m962.h
Thanks for that very nice summary. I let people think about it. We have discussed it a long time before on the Everything-list. A keyword to find that discussion in the everything list archive is "crackpot" as Jacques Mallah named the argument.
Good we can come back on this, because we didn't concl
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