Re: Re: Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism

2012-10-24 Thread Roger Clough
SNIP ROGER: 2) I can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific temporal order only if I perceive something permanent by reference to which I can determine their temporal order. (premise) RUSSELL: What motivates this premise? ROGER: The permanent entity could be the first

Re: Re: Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism

2012-10-24 Thread Roger Clough
Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 02:47:12PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote: 2) can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific temporal order only if I perceive something permanent by reference to which I can

Re: Re: Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism

2012-10-24 Thread Roger Clough
Papaioannou Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-23, 17:51:43 Subject: Re: Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's idealism, not that of Leibniz

Re: Re: Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism

2012-10-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Stathis Papaioannou OK, but I think you are still left with the I. I doubted' still means there's an I present. There's an I present but not necessarily a world to contain it, which is what Kant set out to prove.