<SNIP> ROGER: > 2) I can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific temporal order only if I perceive > something permanent by reference to which I can determine their > temporal order. (premise)
RUSSELL: What motivates this premise? ROGER: > The permanent entity could be the first event. (previously) > 3) No conscious state of my own can serve as the permanent entity by reference to which > I can determine the temporal order of my experiences. (premise) > RUSSELL: Even assuming 2), what motivates this premise? ROGER: Temporal order means that, besides images of perceived events, recording an intuition of time passing is necessary. (previously) > 4) Time itself cannot serve as this permanent entity by reference to which I can > determine the temporal order of my experiences. (premise) > RUSSELL: Well, I don't accept an objective concept of time anyway, so I have no problem with this, although I don't see why this should hold, assuming an objective (eg Newtonian) concept of time is valid. > (5) If (2), (3), and (4), are true, then I can be aware of having experiences > that occur in a > specific temporal order only if I perceive persisting objects in space > outside me by reference > to which I can determine the temporal order of my experiences. (premise) > Yes, I can see this follows. > (6) Therefore, I perceive persisting objects in space outside me by reference > to which > I can determine the temporal order of my experiences. (1?5)" > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] > 10/23/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
