Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN
Hi Richard Ruquist God is not righteous by what standards ? Yours? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 08:52:51 Subject: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Romans 3:10 As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one. This statement could be broadened to include god and therefore account for misery in this world. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN
Hi Roger Clough, God is everything, including this list. Richard David, complex variables and quantum theory go together On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist God is not righteous by what standards ? Yours? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 08:52:51 Subject: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Romans 3:10 As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one. This statement could be broadened to include god and therefore account for misery in this world. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: God is everything, including this list. Then God means nothing because meaning needs contrast. If everything that exists and everything that doesn't exist and everything you can imagine and everything that you can't imagine has the property of being Klogknee then the word Klogknee means nothing. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: God is everything, including this list. Then God means nothing because meaning needs contrast. If everything that exists and everything that doesn't exist and everything you can imagine and everything that you can't imagine has the property of being Klogknee then the word Klogknee means nothing. John K Clark The universe provides sufficient contrasting objects, some even consciousness. However, one may identify various aspects of god and thereby cover all the kinds of gods that people might want to have. At the top level we want the most comprehensive god possible. I say that omniscience is the most comprehensive aspect of a god. Such a comprehensive god is consistent with Indra's Net of Jewels, each reflecting the entire universe; and certainly consistent with the monads of liebniz, each having perception of the entire universe; And perhaps the universal cubic lattice of string theory Calabi-Yau Compact Manifold (CM) particles, each conjectured to map the entire universe is also a most comprehensive god.. In the next level down, omniscience is locally sacrificed for power, a quantum dynamic duality between power and omniscience, a kind of consciousness inverse uncertainty principle in the quantum mechanics of consciousness that even works on the human level.* *In order to focus consciousness on a project, you have to block out all other sources of information. Richard, complex variables go with quantum mechanics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN
Hi Bruno Marchal No, the Devil would never disparage reason. For reason, as we can see on this list, is the father of doubt. Reason, for example through Aquinas' 5 proofs of God, can get you no closer to God than plausibility. You have to take the blind leap of faith to actually reach God. See how clever Satan is, using perfectly reasonable questions and common sense to deceive Eve into eating the apple: The Fall 3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” 2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” 4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 17:41:09 Subject: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN On 12 Jan 2013, at 12:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb As you observe, beliefs can be slippery, because reason is the devil's whore. That's a rumor propelled by the Devil :) Reason is bad only for those of bad faith. Religion does not oppose with reason. It extends it. Reason is the best ally to honest religion. Reason is the enemy of those who want to manipulate you in religion's name. From your post, I am sure you agree on this at some level. The more you trust God, the less you fear the use of reason, even if not especially in theology. To oppose science and faith perverts ... science and faith. I think. Bruno That's why we Lutherans rely first on faith (trust in God). Second on the Bible. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 17:42:15 Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS. On 1/11/2013 2:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM, wrote: In a message dated 1/11/2013 2:27:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, jasonre...@gmail.com writes: 1) Choose some religion, it doesn't matter which 2) Find an idea some adherents of that religion put forward but almost no one seriously believes in or is easily shown to be inconsistent 3) Assume that because you have disproved one idea of one religion that all ideas found in all religions are false and/or unscientific 4) Bask in the feeling of superiority over those who are not so enlightened Jason Ok, so in Darwinian fashion you sort through hundreds of faiths, so what happens when you cannot dissprove a religion? You sort them down till you hit a toughie, does that make it automatically correct, or is it the intellectual limitation of the sorter? Your Basking, is angering many non-believers, even. Witness Higg's criticism of Dawkins. Believers, Jason, I suppose will merely, pray for your soul (poor lad!). Perhaps if you decided to create your own religion, that couldn't be disproved, based on physics, or math, you would be coming up with the best faith? Then we could all be converted to being Jasonites. Or Reschers-whichever you prefer? I'm nor sure I understand your point. My point was only that John's adherence to atheism, which he defines as belief in no Gods, is less rational than someone following his 4-step program to become a liberal theologian. In particular, it is the above step 3, rejecting all religious ideas as false without giving the idea a fair scientific evaluation, which is especially problematic. John is perhaps being prescient in turning a blind eye to these other ideas, as otherwise we might have the specter of a self-proclaimed atheist who finds scientific justification for after lives, reincarnation, karma, beings who exercise complete control over worlds of their design and creation, as well as a self-existent changeless infinite object responsible for the existence of all reality. He would rather avoid those topics altogether and take solace in denying
Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN
Hi meekerdb Just because you can prove something, doesn't mean that it's true. It's only true if it corresponds to reality. Yes, Luther hated the jews. It's always a bit of an embarassment. He was smart, but he wasn't holy. Lutherans don't believe that men can become saints anyway. Romans 3:10 As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one. And I am a prime example of that. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 19:34:35 Subject: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN On 1/12/2013 3:03 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb As you observe, beliefs can be slippery, because reason is the devil's whore. Can you give any reason to believe that? That's why we Lutherans rely first on faith (trust in God). Second on the Bible. So did Martin Luther rely on faith or the bible when he wrote, What shall we do with...the Jews?...set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. Brent We are at fault for not slaying them [the Jews]. ---Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Romans 3:10 As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one. This statement could be broadened to include god and therefore account for misery in this world. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
