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> Your latest argument flies in the face of the Turing Test.
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It's intentional hyperbole, not a non-sequitur. I am making the comparison
between a program designed to produce simple
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It's intentional hyperbole, not a non-sequitur. I am making the comparison
between a program designed to produce simple patterns of pixels achi
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On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:55:54 PM UTC-4, William R. Buckley wrote:
No, it is not ad hominem. It is a serious issue.
Are they mutually exclusive? Telling someone they have a bad haircut could
be a serious
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Who said anything about a deity?
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I agree with what Roger is saying here (and have of course expressed that
before often) and do not think that accusations of vitalism add anything to
the issue. It's r
I agree with what Roger is saying here (and have of course expressed that
before often) and do not think that accusations of vitalism add anything to
the issue. It's really nothing but an ad hominem attack.
I would only modify Roger's view in two ways:
1. Programs can and do produce outcomes th
o invent him so everything
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ions, they can only
make decisions intended by the software programmer.
You hope.
Bruno
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
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Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Stathis Papaioannou
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> Yes, hardware and software cannot feel anything because there
> is no subject to actually feel anything. There is no "I" , as in
> "I feel that", there is only sensors and reactive mechanisms.
A computer could make
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Stathis Papaioannou
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> You are talking about a robot, not a human.
> At the very least, there is the problem of first person indeterminancy.
> Nobody (especially the programmer) can really know for example if I am an
> atheist or theist.
say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything
could function."
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi meekerdb
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> IMHO I don't think that computers can have intelligence
> because intelligence consists of at least one ability:
> the ability to make aut
would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Bruno Marchal
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> I don't agree. Machines must function according to their software and
> hardware,
> neither of which are their own. And so, machines cannot do anything
> not intended by the software author in his software program and con
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On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:07, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
IMHO I don't think that computers can have intelligence
because intelligence consists of at
Roger:
I suggest that at root, you have vitalist sympathies.
wrb
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi meekerdb
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> IMHO I don't think that computers can have intelligence
> because intelligence consists of at least one ability:
> the ability to make autonomous choices (choices completely
> of one's own). Computers can do nothing on their ow
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 Roger Clough wrote:
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> > I don't think that computers can have intelligence
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But computers can solve equations better than you, play a game of chess
better than you, be a better research librarian than you and win more money
on Jeopardy than you; so it they don't have in
On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:07, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
IMHO I don't think that computers can have intelligence
because intelligence consists of at least one ability:
the ability to make autonomous choices (choices completely
of one's own). Computers can do nothing on their own,
they can onl
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