Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/pound.jpg

 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/asterisk.jpg?w=595

 Part of my approach to making new sense of the universe involves indulging
 in meditations on unintentional symbolism. Any pattern that catches my
 attention is a potential subject for intuition voodoo. Usually it pays off
 eventually, even when it seems absurd at first.

 In this case, I was thinking about the # and * symbols that were inserted
 into our visual culture obliquely, as extra buttons on the telephone which
 flanked the 0. Taking this as my cue to relate this to the multisense
 continuum, I compared the symbols graphically, etymologically, and
 semantically.

 The pound sign (hash, hashtag, number sign) seems to me a dead ringer for
 the Western-mechanistic pole of the continuum, while the asterisk (star)
 fits quite nicely as the Oriental-animistic pole.

 Here’s how it breaks down:

 # – number sign, so quantitative and generic. The symbol is one of four
 lines crossing each other at right angles to yield nine implicit regions of
 space. The slant provides a suggestion of orientation – a forward lean that
 disambiguates spatial bias and implies, subliminally, an arrow of time.

 In the age of Twitter and Instagram, the hashtag has become an important
 cultural influence. It is interesting with respect to mechanism in that it
 refers to accessing a machine’s sorting algorithms. It is a note to the
 network of how this term should be handled. We have appropriated this
 satirically so that we recapture it for our own entertainment, but also as
 a kind of show of affection for and familiarity with the technology.

 In direct contrast, the * is am icon which is used to interrupt one level
 of attention to direct the reader to another level – a footnote. Instead of
 relating to numbers, the * is a wildcard that can be related to any string.
 It stands for “all that is preceded by or follows”. Contrary to the
 cellular modularity of #, the * is a mandala. It implies kaliedoscopic
 sensibility and fractal elaboration. It is a symbol of radiance, growth,
 life, unity, etc.

 There’s some interesting threads that connect the * with mathematical
 terms such as Kleene closure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleene_star(more 
 commonly known as the free monoid construction). Just the words ‘free
 monoid construction’ ring in my ears as an echo of what I call solitrophy –
 the constructive progress of teleological unity…the creation and solution
 of problems.

 Also the use of *asterisk* for heightened emphasis links it to the
 significance of euphoria or magnified feeling (and the euphoria that is
 associated with significance or magnified prestige/importance). Wikipedia
 mentions the use of # by editors to represent where space should be added
 on galley proofs. The use of * is, by contrast associated with repetition
 of a particular thing – a replication. This is a tenuous but deep
 connection to the origins of space and time in the difference between
 syntactic-public sense and semantic-private sense.

 The name ‘pound sign’ seems to be fairly 
 mysterioushttp://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2461.
 It does not seem to be related conclusively to either the English currency
 or the Avoirdupois weight. Both references, however, have very tempting
 subliminal associations to the Western pole of empirical domination. On the
 other side, the name asterisk means ‘little star’, from Greek and Latin. I
 can read into that a reference to ‘as above, so below’, as the twinkling
 point of light reproduces in miniature that which is the grand solar source
 of life on Earth.

Nice text Craig, thanks. I may disagree with some of your ideas, but you
never bore me.

A nice synchronicity: I've just been working on a domain-specific
programming language. This language has an exotic operator that connects
vertices in a hyper-graph. The operator is very fundamental to the
language, so I wanted to give it a one-character name. My first thought was
#, but I rejected it because I found it aesthetically offensive. Then I
considered * and I liked it, but it would be confusing because it's
commonly used for multiplication. So I ended up using the lower-case x.

Telmo.



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Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 06:49:08PM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote:
 
 The name ‘pound sign’ seems to be fairly 
 mysterioushttp://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2461. 
 It does not seem to be related conclusively to either the English currency 
 or the Avoirdupois weight. 

I always thought it was because on English keyboards (as opposed to US
keyboards used world-wide with computers), the pound currency symbol
occupies the spot above 3, just where # is located on the US keyboard.

Although according to the intertubes, # was used to denote a pound of
weight in North America.

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Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread LizR
That article is written by an American, so I wouldn't expect him to know
about the pound sign!

(Also, I wouldn't think that American style keyboards are used worldwide
with computers. They aren't used in the UK, or weren't last time I was
there, and are most likely not used in countries where the English
character set isn't used.)


On 29 October 2013 00:09, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 06:49:08PM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote:
 
  The name ‘pound sign’ seems to be fairly mysterious
 http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2461.
  It does not seem to be related conclusively to either the English
 currency
  or the Avoirdupois weight.

 I always thought it was because on English keyboards (as opposed to US
 keyboards used world-wide with computers), the pound currency symbol
 occupies the spot above 3, just where # is located on the US keyboard.

 Although according to the intertubes, # was used to denote a pound of
 weight in North America.

 Cheers

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 Principal, High Performance Coders
 Visiting Professor of Mathematics  hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
 University of New South Wales  http://www.hpcoders.com.au

 

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Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:52:38PM +1300, LizR wrote:
 That article is written by an American, so I wouldn't expect him to know
 about the pound sign!
 
 (Also, I wouldn't think that American style keyboards are used worldwide
 with computers. They aren't used in the UK, or weren't last time I was
 there, and are most likely not used in countries where the English
 character set isn't used.)
 

My experience in Germany is that everybody traded in their German
keyboard (aka Qwertz keyboard) for the US Qwerty keyboard. Their local
name for the keyboard was Diese blutig ding!.

But you're right - there are plenty of different keyboard layouts, but
the US layout is predominant - particularly with laptops.

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Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-28 Thread LizR
Predominant I can believe. If there's one thing the Americans are good
at, it's selling people stuff.


On 29 October 2013 16:18, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:52:38PM +1300, LizR wrote:
  That article is written by an American, so I wouldn't expect him to know
  about the pound sign!
 
  (Also, I wouldn't think that American style keyboards are used worldwide
  with computers. They aren't used in the UK, or weren't last time I was
  there, and are most likely not used in countries where the English
  character set isn't used.)
 

 My experience in Germany is that everybody traded in their German
 keyboard (aka Qwertz keyboard) for the US Qwerty keyboard. Their local
 name for the keyboard was Diese blutig ding!.

 But you're right - there are plenty of different keyboard layouts, but
 the US layout is predominant - particularly with laptops.

 Cheers

 --


 
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 Principal, High Performance Coders
 Visiting Professor of Mathematics  hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
 University of New South Wales  http://www.hpcoders.com.au

 

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A Post About # and *

2013-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg


http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/pound.jpg

http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/asterisk.jpg?w=595

Part of my approach to making new sense of the universe involves indulging 
in meditations on unintentional symbolism. Any pattern that catches my 
attention is a potential subject for intuition voodoo. Usually it pays off 
eventually, even when it seems absurd at first.

In this case, I was thinking about the # and * symbols that were inserted 
into our visual culture obliquely, as extra buttons on the telephone which 
flanked the 0. Taking this as my cue to relate this to the multisense 
continuum, I compared the symbols graphically, etymologically, and 
semantically.

The pound sign (hash, hashtag, number sign) seems to me a dead ringer for 
the Western-mechanistic pole of the continuum, while the asterisk (star) 
fits quite nicely as the Oriental-animistic pole.

Here’s how it breaks down:

# – number sign, so quantitative and generic. The symbol is one of four 
lines crossing each other at right angles to yield nine implicit regions of 
space. The slant provides a suggestion of orientation – a forward lean that 
disambiguates spatial bias and implies, subliminally, an arrow of time.

In the age of Twitter and Instagram, the hashtag has become an important 
cultural influence. It is interesting with respect to mechanism in that it 
refers to accessing a machine’s sorting algorithms. It is a note to the 
network of how this term should be handled. We have appropriated this 
satirically so that we recapture it for our own entertainment, but also as 
a kind of show of affection for and familiarity with the technology.

In direct contrast, the * is am icon which is used to interrupt one level 
of attention to direct the reader to another level – a footnote. Instead of 
relating to numbers, the * is a wildcard that can be related to any string. 
It stands for “all that is preceded by or follows”. Contrary to the 
cellular modularity of #, the * is a mandala. It implies kaliedoscopic 
sensibility and fractal elaboration. It is a symbol of radiance, growth, 
life, unity, etc.

There’s some interesting threads that connect the * with mathematical terms 
such as Kleene closure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleene_star (more 
commonly known as the free monoid construction). Just the words ‘free 
monoid construction’ ring in my ears as an echo of what I call solitrophy – 
the constructive progress of teleological unity…the creation and solution 
of problems.

Also the use of *asterisk* for heightened emphasis links it to the 
significance of euphoria or magnified feeling (and the euphoria that is 
associated with significance or magnified prestige/importance). Wikipedia 
mentions the use of # by editors to represent where space should be added 
on galley proofs. The use of * is, by contrast associated with repetition 
of a particular thing – a replication. This is a tenuous but deep 
connection to the origins of space and time in the difference between 
syntactic-public sense and semantic-private sense.

The name ‘pound sign’ seems to be fairly 
mysterioushttp://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2461. 
It does not seem to be related conclusively to either the English currency 
or the Avoirdupois weight. Both references, however, have very tempting 
subliminal associations to the Western pole of empirical domination. On the 
other side, the name asterisk means ‘little star’, from Greek and Latin. I 
can read into that a reference to ‘as above, so below’, as the twinkling 
point of light reproduces in miniature that which is the grand solar source 
of life on Earth.

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Re: A Post About # and *

2013-10-27 Thread Samiya Illias
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/pound.jpg

 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/asterisk.jpg?w=595

 Part of my approach to making new sense of the universe involves indulging
 in meditations on unintentional symbolism. Any pattern that catches my
 attention is a potential subject for intuition voodoo. Usually it pays off
 eventually, even when it seems absurd at first.

 In this case, I was thinking about the # and * symbols that were inserted
 into our visual culture obliquely, as extra buttons on the telephone which
 flanked the 0. Taking this as my cue to relate this to the multisense
 continuum, I compared the symbols graphically, etymologically, and
 semantically.

 The pound sign (hash, hashtag, number sign) seems to me a dead ringer for
 the Western-mechanistic pole of the continuum, while the asterisk (star)
 fits quite nicely as the Oriental-animistic pole.

 Here’s how it breaks down:

 # – number sign, so quantitative and generic. The symbol is one of four
 lines crossing each other at right angles to yield nine implicit regions of
 space. The slant provides a suggestion of orientation – a forward lean that
 disambiguates spatial bias and implies, subliminally, an arrow of time.

 In the age of Twitter and Instagram, the hashtag has become an important
 cultural influence. It is interesting with respect to mechanism in that it
 refers to accessing a machine’s sorting algorithms. It is a note to the
 network of how this term should be handled. We have appropriated this
 satirically so that we recapture it for our own entertainment, but also as
 a kind of show of affection for and familiarity with the technology.

 In direct contrast, the * is am icon which is used to interrupt one level
 of attention to direct the reader to another level – a footnote. Instead of
 relating to numbers, the * is a wildcard that can be related to any string.
 It stands for “all that is preceded by or follows”. Contrary to the
 cellular modularity of #, the * is a mandala. It implies kaliedoscopic
 sensibility and fractal elaboration. It is a symbol of radiance, growth,
 life, unity, etc.

 There’s some interesting threads that connect the * with mathematical
 terms such as Kleene closure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleene_star(more 
 commonly known as the free monoid construction). Just the words ‘free
 monoid construction’ ring in my ears as an echo of what I call solitrophy –
 the constructive progress of teleological unity…the creation and solution
 of problems.

 Also the use of *asterisk* for heightened emphasis links it to the
 significance of euphoria or magnified feeling (and the euphoria that is
 associated with significance or magnified prestige/importance). Wikipedia
 mentions the use of # by editors to represent where space should be added
 on galley proofs. The use of * is, by contrast associated with repetition
 of a particular thing – a replication. This is a tenuous but deep
 connection to the origins of space and time in the difference between
 syntactic-public sense and semantic-private sense.

 The name ‘pound sign’ seems to be fairly 
 mysterioushttp://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2461.
 It does not seem to be related conclusively to either the English currency
 or the Avoirdupois weight. Both references, however, have very tempting
 subliminal associations to the Western pole of empirical domination. On the
 other side, the name asterisk means ‘little star’, from Greek and Latin. I
 can read into that a reference to ‘as above, so below’, as the twinkling
 point of light reproduces in miniature that which is the grand solar source
 of life on Earth.

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