Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2015-01-09 Thread John Mikes
Evgenyij, we know sss little 'bout our natural existence (and in my agnosticism I hope for so much we don't even imagine...) that I come up with the question: what should be called human brain? the tissue in the lab or more? if you add all the brainfunctions (explainable today, or not) you may

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I should say that I am not an expert in this issue, however I have found the paper entertaining. The history of Samuel Butler is quite interesting. Butler in 19th century held that heredity and brain memory both involved the storage of information and that the two forms of storage were the

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread LizR
I haven't managed to read the entire paper yet, but it seems to be along similar lines to the idea that the brain receives consciousness from somewhere else, like in the story by Barrington Bayley (I forget the title) in which the universe is criss-crossed with beams of consciousness that cause

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal On 26 Dec 2014, at 1:43 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/25/2014 1:17 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: In paper Forsdyke, D.R. (2009). Samuel Butler and human long term memory: is the cupboard bare? Journal of Theoretical

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread meekerdb
On 12/27/2014 12:05 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I should say that I am not an expert in this issue, however I have found the paper entertaining. The history of Samuel Butler is quite interesting. Butler in 19th century held that heredity and brain memory both involved the storage of information

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Am 27.12.2014 um 22:33 schrieb meekerdb: On 12/27/2014 12:05 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I should say that I am not an expert in this issue, however I have found the paper entertaining. The history of Samuel Butler is quite interesting. Butler in 19th century held that heredity and brain memory

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Dec 2014, at 03:43, meekerdb wrote: On 12/25/2014 1:17 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: In paper Forsdyke, D.R. (2009). Samuel Butler and human long term memory: is the cupboard bare? Journal of Theoretical Biology 258(1), 156-164. (see http://post.queensu.ca/~forsdyke/mind01.htm) the

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-26 Thread Jason Resch
If the memories aren't in the brain, then what physical causes enable a positive or negative recognition of the photo of a person's face? It seems to me that this would require some extra-physical interaction beyond all known physical laws. If this excess storage area could be tapped, could we

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-26 Thread meekerdb
On 12/25/2014 11:45 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kim Jones *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 7:46 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Long term memory

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Am 26.12.2014 um 19:55 schrieb meekerdb: But to say that DNA provides long term memory seems like an abuse of terminology, making a metaphor into a factual description. DNA provides memory only in that sometimes parts of it get to reproduce. Genes are more persistent units, but their memory

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-26 Thread meekerdb
On 12/26/2014 11:56 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Am 26.12.2014 um 19:55 schrieb meekerdb: But to say that DNA provides long term memory seems like an abuse of terminology, making a metaphor into a factual description. DNA provides memory only in that sometimes parts of it get to reproduce.

RE: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-26 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 10:56 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal On 12/25/2014 11:45 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via

Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-25 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
In paper Forsdyke, D.R. (2009). Samuel Butler and human long term memory: is the cupboard bare? Journal of Theoretical Biology 258(1), 156-164. (see http://post.queensu.ca/~forsdyke/mind01.htm) the author considers a possibility that the long term memory is outside the brain. I guess that

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-25 Thread Kim Jones
Haven't read it yet but just wanted to say that I have never had trouble wih his idea On 25 Dec 2014, at 8:17 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In paper Forsdyke, D.R. (2009). Samuel Butler and human long term memory: is the cupboard bare? Journal of Theoretical Biology

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-25 Thread Kim Jones
Good one. Haven't read it yet but just wanted to say that I have never had trouble with this idea - clearly Platonic in nature but beyond that, possibly the most clearly intuitive and ancient notion known to Man. Bruno's idea still strikes me as the best formulation of it, but most are yet to

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-25 Thread meekerdb
On 12/25/2014 1:17 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: In paper Forsdyke, D.R. (2009). Samuel Butler and human long term memory: is the cupboard bare? Journal of Theoretical Biology 258(1), 156-164. (see http://post.queensu.ca/~forsdyke/mind01.htm) the author considers a possibility that the long

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-25 Thread Kim Jones
On 26 Dec 2014, at 1:43 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/25/2014 1:17 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: In paper Forsdyke, D.R. (2009). Samuel Butler and human long term memory: is the cupboard bare? Journal of Theoretical Biology 258(1), 156-164. (see

RE: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Jones Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 7:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal On 26 Dec 2014, at 1:43 pm, meekerdb meeke