Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:26, meekerdb wrote: On 6/24/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote: This has a few interesting corollaries, ISTM. 1. It hints that there might be a way to distinguish the pilot wave interpretation of QM from the rest, which could be handy I doubt that since Bohmian QM is just

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-26 Thread meekerdb
On 6/26/2014 8:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:26, meekerdb wrote: On 6/24/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote: This has a few interesting corollaries, ISTM. 1. It hints that there might be a way to distinguish the pilot wave interpretation of QM from the rest, which could be handy

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That proof, like any multiverse with no assumptions, includes the possibility that the earth was supported by a giant over a turtle in a sea of water and then vanished moments before Magallanes circumnavigated the globe. But it add nothing to the beauty of the greek myth. In fact it add nothing

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-25 Thread meekerdb
A very interesting paper filling out a conjecture by Scott Aaronson and similar to Bruce's analysis but with more detail. It doesn't so much solve the foundational problem, as usually conceived, as define what FAPP must mean and quantify it in computational terms (instead of probability units

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-25 Thread meekerdb
On 6/24/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote: This has a few interesting corollaries, ISTM. 1. It hints that there might be a way to distinguish the pilot wave interpretation of QM from the rest, which could be handy I doubt that since Bohmian QM is just another way of writing Schrodinger's equation.

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-25 Thread LizR
On 26 June 2014 04:26, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/24/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote: This has a few interesting corollaries, ISTM. 1. It hints that there might be a way to distinguish the pilot wave interpretation of QM from the rest, which could be handy I doubt that since

RE: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-25 Thread John Ross
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:26 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing On 6/24/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote: This has a few interesting corollaries, ISTM. 1. It hints

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-25 Thread meekerdb
On 6/25/2014 3:38 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 June 2014 04:19, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: A very interesting paper filling out a conjecture by Scott Aaronson and similar to Bruce's analysis but with more detail. It doesn't so much solve the

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-25 Thread LizR
On 26 June 2014 11:01, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/25/2014 3:38 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 June 2014 04:19, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: A very interesting paper filling out a conjecture by Scott Aaronson and similar to Bruce's analysis but with more detail. It doesn't

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-25 Thread meekerdb
On 6/25/2014 4:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 June 2014 11:01, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/25/2014 3:38 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 June 2014 04:19, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: A very interesting paper

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-24 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Interesting synopsis of a paper on http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207 -- don't have access though -- so here is the write up. Not sure if this has already been discussed here or not. A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing A Mathematical Proof That

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-24 Thread LizR
This item in further reading looks interesting too https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/7ef5eea6fd7a (Not that I'm not busy here at work...[?] ) On 25 June 2014 12:44, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Interesting synopsis of a paper on

Re: A Mathematical Proof That The Universe Could Have Formed Spontaneously From Nothing

2014-06-24 Thread LizR
This has a few interesting corollaries, ISTM. 1. It hints that there might be a way to distinguish the pilot wave interpretation of QM from the rest, which could be handy 2. It hints at eternal inflation (the second bit of support for this in the last few months, assuming the BICEP results stand