Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

2018-06-27 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 12:01:30 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Lawrence Crowell < > goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> *> My tendency is to say that wormholes do not exist.* > > > It seems to me if wormholes existed we should expect to see as ma

Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

2018-06-27 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​>>​ >> The Casimir effect has demonstrated that the vacuum between 2 conductive >> planes that are very very close to each other contains negative energy >> density. > > > * ​>​Not exactly. There is just less positive energy density than outs

Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

2018-06-27 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Listening in on the direct signals -- e.g. the gravity waves themselves -- that are produced in these extreme merger events is probably our best window into probing into what is actually occuring to the dynamically interacting forces at these energy scales. No atom smasher we could build can mat

Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

2018-06-27 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/27/2018 10:01 AM, John Clark wrote: />There are problems with these types of solutions. The biggest is they requires a source term that has negative energy/ The Casimir effect has demonstrated that the vacuum between 2 conductive planes that are very very close to each other con

Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

2018-06-27 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > *> My tendency is to say that wormholes do not exist.* It seems to me if wormholes existed we should expect to see as many White Holes as Black Holes and they should be easier to detect than Black Hole

Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

2018-06-26 Thread Lawrence Crowell
I think quantum gravitation theories might be put to some observational tests this way. I would not worry about wormholes and any possible interstellar future. Kip Thorne aside, and wormholes are sort of "his second baby" after LIGO, I doubt they exist and further even if they existed we would

Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

2018-06-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Thanks for your comments, Sci-fi fans will be disappointed.  I was intrigued by the mention of these potential echoes contained within the off the scale intense ring down phase of a merger and also by what that would imply, if echoes are actually discovered to exist within the final moments of t

Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

2018-06-24 Thread Lawrence Crowell
My tendency is to say that wormholes do not exist. There are problems with these types of solutions. The biggest is they requires a source term that has negative energy or T^{00} < 0. This would mean the quantum field that defines this source is not bounded below. This means an infinite well sp

Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

2018-06-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
As LIGO increases its sensitivity it is entering a domain in which its instruments should be able to detect theorized ring down phase echoes (this is the very last portion of a merging event of massive bodies that produces a rapidly increasing frequency of waves that lead up to the moment of mer