Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear George,       How does indeterminacy and multiple-world-occupation follow from an inability to deduce that one is not in a simulation?       Also, how is multiple-world-occupation knowable 1st person unless by the means I discusses previously? Does this not violate the anthropic princi

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-12 Thread CMR
> IMHO, this latter situation seem to be what D. Deutsch proposes as a test for his MWI. If we can create a physical implementation of a quantum computation >that has greater computational power than that allowed by the classical (as per the Copenhagen Interpretation or other interpretations) case,

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 15:59 11/05/04 -0700, George Levy wrote: I remember discussing this topic but I do not remember you calling me silly. Oh sorry you were only thinking it. Thank you :-) You are welcome. You know on these matters we can never be sure :-) Now when you say that the first person is all there i

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear CMR,   - Original Message - From: "CMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Everything List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?   > > [SPK]  > > IMHO, this latter situation seem to be what D. Deutsch prop

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear George,       Interleaving. - Original Message - From: George Levy To: Stephen Paul King Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer? Stephen, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear George,      

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-12 Thread CMR
I'd love to take credit for George's arguments (he probably knows more than me, after all) but that wouldn't be ethical (and I don't think we want to revisit THAT thread!)   cheers!   Dear George,       Interleaving. [CMR] It seems to me that if two worlds are indistinguishab

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-12 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear George and CMR,       Whops! My apologies. But does this cancel out what I wrote?   Stephen - Original Message - From: CMR To: Stephen Paul King Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Are we simulated by some massive

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-12 Thread George Levy
Hi Bruno Bruno Marchal wrote: when you say that the first person is all there is I am not sure it fits nicely with the methodology I am following. I am not sure I understand why you don't need the UD, given that the UD is just a nice third person description of the comp plenitude. [That such

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-12 Thread George Levy
Hi Stephen Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear George,       Interleaving. - Original Message - From: George Levy To: Stephen Paul King Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?