Re: Torture yet again

2005-06-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 10:53:31AM -0700, Lee Corbin wrote: You can be in two places at the same time, but you can't enjoy two different scenarios, or think individual thoughts. I disagree. Again, you slide back and forth between instantiations and programs, which, as you know, are not

Re: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-06-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Lee Corbin wrote Again, I think that the first-person point of view can lead to errors just as incorrect as those of Ptolemaic astronomy. I disagree because, almost by definition, the first-person point of view is incorrigible. The error you point on is more subtle: it consists to

RE: possible solution to modal realism's problem of induction

2005-06-27 Thread Brian Holtz
Title: Message I reply to Prof. Pruss: BH: I have the vague suspicion here that by using words like physical/matter/concrete/chunk, you're skirting the issue of how worlds are specified in the general case, by narrowing the scope to worlds whose only constituents are material --

Re: possible solution to modal realism's problem of induction

2005-06-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-juin-05, à 17:12, Brian Holtz a écrit : I  reply to Prof. Pruss: BH: I have the vague suspicion here that by using words like physical/matter/concrete/chunk, you're skirting the issue of how worlds are specified in the general case, by narrowing the scope to worlds whose only constituents

But Physicalism is incompatible with Computationalism.

2005-06-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Brian, May I quote you? You (Brian Holtz) wrote at: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.philosophy.misc/msg/dfa50fbc7a2ce31?hl=enlr= x-tad-bigger.../x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerNote that, while the Life thought experiment depends on mind being computable, the logically possible universe

Re: Have all possible events occurred?

2005-06-27 Thread jamikes
Brent. thanks for reason. How about staarting with that silly word: possible? According to what? Our imagination? Can we devise circumstances beyond our mind? Is it reasonable to judge whether something is possible that is beyond our mental capability? Or informational space? Is the world

Fwd: another puzzzle

2005-06-27 Thread Eric Cavalcanti
On 6/27/05, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for going on about this, but I'm still trying to understand: what possible difference could it make to anyone - you or your copy - if you suddenly disintegrated and were replaced a microsecond later with an exact copy? To

Re: More about identity (was Re: Torture yet again)

2005-06-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Eric Cavalcanti writes: But even in a MWI perspective, they are surely very different processes, as someone else argued. Tossing a coin does not increase the number of copies of yourself in the multiverse. Pushing the button does. There is a symmetry between the two versions of yourself in the

RE: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-06-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Lee Corbin writes (replying to Jesse Mazer): Obviously my sadness is not because the death of the copy here means that there are only 10^10^29 - 1 copies of that person... By the way, this figure 10^10^29 is a *distance*. It is, according to Tegmark, very approximately how close in terms of

RE: Torture yet again

2005-06-27 Thread Lee Corbin
Eugen writes A program can run in two different places at the same time, and the program (treated as the pattern) is perfectly capable of receiving input X in one location at the same time that it No, program is the wrong model. You can have identical pieces of a bit pattern (CD-ROM,